No dps Jeff nerf in the patch notes

[Timbermaw]

The day is ruined

Will he be the clone event champion?

[Echorion]

His DPS itself is fine, and he is balanced more or less... the problems are just that he is annoying as ♥♥♥♥.

You basically can't die short of a stun or instant kill attack; and his ult sucks you out of the air only for them to suicide with you so there is 0 counterplay. Being annoying isn't overpowered though.

[Veenix]

He simply needs reduced self healing. Simple as that really.

[X Mal]

Jeff shouldn't self heal when he goes into Street Shark mode.

There, I fixed him.

[Timbermaw]

Originally posted by X Zero Mal:

Jeff shouldn't self heal when he goes into Street Shark mode.

There, I fixed him.

Netease hire this man!

[Veenix]

Originally posted by X Zero Mal:

Jeff shouldn't self heal when he goes into Street Shark mode.

There, I fixed him.

And make his bubbles heal himself for only 50% orso. Supports can have self healing but not like that bubble spam bs lmao

[Steve]

...y'all realize he's still got one of the lowest winrates, right?

[X Mal]

Originally posted by Timbermaw:

Originally posted by X Zero Mal:

Jeff shouldn't self heal when he goes into Street Shark mode.

There, I fixed him.

Netease hire this man!

A lot of balance issues are easy to see. Like, does Jeff really need to be able to self heal when he becomes the games smallest target , move at super fast speed, and wall climb with ease when considering his whole kit?

The answer is simply no. Jeff can spawn a bubble to heal himself.

I feel like Netease doesn't balance the simplistic stuff because they just want some characters to be beyond stupid to keep autism levels of player engagement.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

It's because he has like, the second lowest win rate in the game. You don't nerf the worst characters in the game, at least not without some major compensation to keep them viable.

Jeffs Creator said it best though:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3438466221

Originally posted by Steve:

...y'all realize he's still got one of the lowest winrates, right?

These people don't care about balance at all in the game.

[X Mal]

Originally posted by Veenix:

Originally posted by X Zero Mal:

Jeff shouldn't self heal when he goes into Street Shark mode.

There, I fixed him.

And make his bubbles heal himself for only 50% orso. Supports can have self healing but not like that bubble spam bs lmao

The bubbles has a good cool down time as is. Jeff should get the same healing effect from them as everyone else.

You also have to considering Jeff has the biggest headshot box on himself in the game. So nerfing his bubbles would be too much imo.

[X Mal]

Originally posted by Kitt 🌟 Stargazer:

It's because he has like, the second lowest win rate in the game. You don't nerf the worst characters in the game, at least not without some major compensation to keep them viable.

Jeffs Creator said it best though:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3438466221

There is also the fact that fighting other heroes has to be fun too. And Jeffs Hide and Seek doesn't need a self heal.

Things get pretty lame when so many characters have unbalanced disappearing acts and matches become hit and run slap fights among cowards.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

Originally posted by X Zero Mal:

Originally posted by Kitt 🌟 Stargazer:

It's because he has like, the second lowest win rate in the game. You don't nerf the worst characters in the game, at least not without some major compensation to keep them viable.

Jeffs Creator said it best though:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3438466221

There is also the fact that fighting other heroes has to be fun too. And Jeffs Hide and Seek doesn't need a self heal.

Things get pretty lame when so many characters have unbalanced disappearing acts and matches become hit and run slap fights among cowards.

IF they are to do something about healing while under ground then they better compensate for removing it with a buff as well. Other wise your nerfing characters into the ground to complete uselessness which is never a good thing. When he's underground he can't heal any of his teammates at all, at least not his normal underground move. His ult he has to swallow his teammates to heal them, all making them unable to do anything while in his mouth.

Nerfing the worst characters to make them even worse should never even be a consideration.

Jeff's already one of the easiest characters to kill too in this game. That healing while diving is one of the few things from him just being dead weight for his team completely.

[Steve]

Originally posted by X Zero Mal:

There is also the fact that fighting other heroes has to be fun too. And Jeffs Hide and Seek doesn't need a self heal.

Things get pretty lame when so many characters have unbalanced disappearing acts and matches become hit and run slap fights among cowards.

Jeff is actually a diver with some ability to heal others. His bubbles make up for the lack of support ult that the other Strategists have.

This may explain some of his low winrate. I don't know if many players below Celestial understand Jeff's true utility -- esp. paired with Luna. He can be devastating to a backline, but he needs to be played with intelligence and some simple geometry (to get the most utility out of his spray heal).

But that's part of what makes him a sneaky diver play -- that self heal. Without it, it's suicide in most cases to run him at the opposing backline.

[glaphen]

I mean Captain America, DPS Jeff, and the new Iron Fist all do the same thing of just being an annoying unkillable fly, they do no real damage and can only kill people who don't get healed, their entire purpose is to distract the backline so they don't pay attention to the frontline, and if the enemy is any good they can just ignore them entirely and keep healing as if they don't exist as long as the other healer tosses a heal every once in a while. Captain America is better at is since he's in your face with a shield to be annoying, but Jeff is unkillable and in a safe position that can still heal his team from the backline able to capitalize on any distractions or attacks with an actually useful ultimate unlike the other 3, Iron Fist is just a worse Captain America with no real advantage beyond punching the air to fly to more replicate the fly part of the annoying fly. They aren't really even good overall, only good against uncoordinated teams so you won't ever see them in a tournament really and even in randoms ranked they aren't that good or you would see them everywhere and not be some of the least picked characters in the game.

[X Mal]

Originally posted by Kitt 🌟 Stargazer:

Originally posted by X Zero Mal:

There is also the fact that fighting other heroes has to be fun too. And Jeffs Hide and Seek doesn't need a self heal.

Things get pretty lame when so many characters have unbalanced disappearing acts and matches become hit and run slap fights among cowards.

IF they are to do something about healing while under ground then they better compensate for removing it with a buff as well. Other wise your nerfing characters into the ground to complete uselessness which is never a good thing. When he's underground he can't heal any of his teammates at all, at least not his normal underground move. His ult he has to swallow his teammates to heal them, all making them unable to do anything while in his mouth.

Nerfing the worst characters to make them even worse should never even be a consideration.

Jeff's already one of the easiest characters to kill too in this game. That healing while diving is one of the few things from him just being dead weight for his team completely.

When he is underground he heals himself fully in 2 seconds. Its not like he needs to be underground long for it to work. Or he can just pop up and cast a bubble and go back down. Not like there is a cool down time to dive.

[Karnarax]

I feel like dps Jeff players are already nerfing themselves by not letting the team win therefore not advancing to a higher rank (because in low elo there are usually 2 healers). They do throw ranked matches and should be reported.