Jeff Ult Nerf Board

[The Dreamer]

Alright folks, we all know the jeff ult needs a nerf. These quad kills from just jumping off map clearly aint intended. So like intelligent folk, lets discuss possible changes for the ult

[♥Spinda♥]

The amount of crying will be what ultimately cuts the life of this game short, not even a week after release and we have threads like this. It’s embarrassing

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by Vergil in a plastic chair:

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

So you think it's okay to never be able to escape Ironfist and that's okay? Even if you're on the skybox as Ironman, Ironfist can still get to you. Not talking about how he can block every ult.

as i said, i want him nerfed for that reason, perhaps steam didn;'t update the edit.

No, I haven't seen the edit, so I'll get back to you on that. A lot of replies popped up at once, so I'm trying to get through them the best I can.

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Again, you're talking about a CC that only Jeff can damage by keeping them in his belly, that odds are isn't going to get a single kill. Which makes that CC useless if he isn't mobile. The only time it'd be good is if there was so little time left in the round, which is so much worse.

What if he swallowed 3? Then he gets easier to kill by the enemy team and now the Jeff's team is down a support because he was doing his job.

this proves to me that you don't understand teamfights. a 6 second stun applied to a SINGLE character, whether they die or not, can make or break a fight. you're effectively turning a 6v6 into a 6v5. if jeff swallows 3 people, it becomes a 5v3 without him, just from the stun.

again, I went over this before, but you're willingly disingenuous, which doesn't surprise me after seeing your name.

Again, you're talking about a 6 second stun on a nerf that would be nerfing his movement speed to 10% movement speed AT MOST, which would oh, I don't know only be used in very specific circumstances if he swallows six, which would mean I'd have to go to the enemy team, ult at the last 5 seconds win the point due to time. When you should be spamming your ults as often as you can situation pending of course. If I was Ironman, I'd be ulting as many times as I could, cause the more ults I use the more kills I'll have, the more kills I have the easier time the objective is maintained. But with that type of nerf that was suggested, a lot of the time you're not using your most powerful ability except for a niche situation.

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by Jimmy9003:

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Again, you're talking about a CC that only Jeff can damage by keeping them in his belly, that odds are isn't going to get a single kill. Which makes that CC useless if he isn't mobile. The only time it'd be good is if there was so little time left in the round, which is so much worse.

What if he swallowed 3? Then he gets easier to kill by the enemy team and now the Jeff's team is down a support because he was doing his job.

You don't want a nerf, you want to punish the Jeff for using his ult.

CC and dmg, yeah, and I can spit them out in lower health right under my team prepared to kill them in quick swop with one ult like iron man's or psylock's, lmao.

What If I swallowed just 3? I have teammates, lol, while I have little as hell hitbox to run around in flash speed.

Even If I catch 2 of them (which is extreme rare, I get easy 3 or more each time) its still 5 vs 4 and most of times I'm not solo heal (people likes to play support in my games), I have second heal taking care of team. So it's gg anyways, while I just LMAO, seeing how enemy can't do anything about it.:lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Oh you swallow 3? Now you move upwards of 45% slower, so the rest of the enemy team can kill you, which would spit out your team and now your ult is wasted. Congrats, you did NOTHING.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by ♥Nyon♥:

The amount of crying will be what ultimately cuts the life of this game short, not even a week after release and we have threads like this. It’s embarrassing

No it wont.
Discussion about what is and isnt healthy in the game is vital to any MP Competetive Game. This isnt 2000s Quake, where you go into LAN Matches with your friends and noone gives a ♥♥♥♥ that weapon x y or z is better than the others. This is a game that is supposed to be played by a large community in randomly assorted groups. It's important that things that people do not think are fun are adressed.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Originally posted by Jimmy9003:

CC and dmg, yeah, and I can spit them out in lower health right under my team prepared to kill them in quick swop with one ult like iron man's or psylock's, lmao.

What If I swallowed just 3? I have teammates, lol, while I have little as hell hitbox to run around in flash speed.

Even If I catch 2 of them (which is extreme rare, I get easy 3 or more each time) its still 5 vs 4 and most of times I'm not solo heal (people likes to play support in my games), I have second heal taking care of team. So it's gg anyways, while I just LMAO, seeing how enemy can't do anything about it.:lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Oh you swallow 3? Now you move upwards of 45% slower, so the rest of the enemy team can kill you, which would spit out your team and now your ult is wasted. Congrats, you did NOTHING.

What you're saying is that the 5 remaining members of your team refuse to protect the now slightly more vulnerable shark?
Swallowing 3 people still makes the game an effective 5v3, to say you cant play keepaway with the odds in your favor is big oof.

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Oh you swallow 3? Now you move upwards of 45% slower, so the rest of the enemy team can kill you, which would spit out your team and now your ult is wasted. Congrats, you did NOTHING.

What you're saying is that the 5 remaining members of your team refuse to protect the now slightly more vulnerable shark?
Swallowing 3 people still makes the game an effective 5v3, to say you cant play keepaway with the odds in your favor is big oof.

You're not slightly vulnerable, 45% movement speed NERF IS HUGE and with how Squishy Jeff is, it's an easy kill.

Again, you're just wanting to punish the Jeff player.

[D.e.v.i.OS]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Originally posted by ♥Nyon♥:

The amount of crying will be what ultimately cuts the life of this game short, not even a week after release and we have threads like this. It’s embarrassing

No it wont.
Discussion about what is and isnt healthy in the game is vital to any MP Competetive Game. This isnt 2000s Quake, where you go into LAN Matches with your friends and noone gives a ♥♥♥♥ that weapon x y or z is better than the others. This is a game that is supposed to be played by a large community in randomly assorted groups. It's important that things that people do not think are fun are adressed.

yup Rhodos got it.
if people are talking even complaining about the game, that means they still care quite a lot even.

now APATHY will kill any game. ask Suicide squad, Xdefiant and Concord.

[minister of chlorine]

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

What you're saying is that the 5 remaining members of your team refuse to protect the now slightly more vulnerable shark?
Swallowing 3 people still makes the game an effective 5v3, to say you cant play keepaway with the odds in your favor is big oof.

You're not slightly vulnerable, 45% movement speed NERF IS HUGE and with how Squishy Jeff is, it's an easy kill.

Again, you're just wanting to punish the Jeff player.

who's going to take advantage of that 45% speed debuff? you're pretending like the enemy team can actually do anything when they're 3v5. again, you don't understand how team fights work

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

You're not slightly vulnerable, 45% movement speed NERF IS HUGE and with how Squishy Jeff is, it's an easy kill.

Again, you're just wanting to punish the Jeff player.

who's going to take advantage of that 45% speed debuff? you're pretending like the enemy team can actually do anything when they're 3v5. again, you don't understand how team fights work

Literally any DPS can capitalize on that slower movement, if you can't understand that idk what to tell you.

[♥Spinda♥]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Originally posted by ♥Nyon♥:

The amount of crying will be what ultimately cuts the life of this game short, not even a week after release and we have threads like this. It’s embarrassing

No it wont.
Discussion about what is and isnt healthy in the game is vital to any MP Competetive Game. This isnt 2000s Quake, where you go into LAN Matches with your friends and noone gives a ♥♥♥♥ that weapon x y or z is better than the others. This is a game that is supposed to be played by a large community in randomly assorted groups. It's important that things that people do not think are fun are adressed.

if you think discussions like this are healthy this early into a game is wild, mind you people are still learning the game/counters to heroes yet we have people barking for a nerf already.

[Mending Mithrix Main]

personally, i think everything in this game is balanced.
yes, even hawkeye.
Because of how strong everyone is, it kind of loops back to everyone being normal.
i hope the devs dont change anything ;-;

[minister of chlorine]

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

who's going to take advantage of that 45% speed debuff? you're pretending like the enemy team can actually do anything when they're 3v5. again, you don't understand how team fights work

Literally any DPS can capitalize on that slower movement, if you can't understand that idk what to tell you.

read the 3v5 part. you can walk in the general direction of your team and that DPS will die

[D.e.v.i.OS]

Originally posted by ♥Nyon♥:

if you think discussions like this are healthy this early into a game is wild, mind you people are still learning the game/counters to heroes yet we have people barking for a nerf already.

They are, I promise.
But I also Agree people calling for nerfs/buffs at this stage while a bit overboard
with over 30M players I would say its expected.

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Literally any DPS can capitalize on that slower movement, if you can't understand that idk what to tell you.

read the 3v5 part. you can walk in the general direction of your team and that DPS will die

If you swallow 3, and your TEAM DOESN'T focus on the Jeff that swallowed the team, that team deserves to lose.

Again, the best way to cut it short is by murdering the shark that can barely get away if it's able.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

What you're saying is that the 5 remaining members of your team refuse to protect the now slightly more vulnerable shark?
Swallowing 3 people still makes the game an effective 5v3, to say you cant play keepaway with the odds in your favor is big oof.

You're not slightly vulnerable, 45% movement speed NERF IS HUGE and with how Squishy Jeff is, it's an easy kill.

Again, you're just wanting to punish the Jeff player.

Still openly ignoring that you are in a 5v3 situation.
What is it, is my team supposed to coordinate or aren't they?
Things that are powerful should come with a tradeoff or risk

Iron Mans Bomb is slow and predictable, Wanda needs like a solid 3 seconds to charge up her complete ult, and announces herself on screen with a big red exclamation mark. Logan needs to be in melee to hit the first part of his ult and jump into melee to use the second part of his ult, leaving him vulnerable to focus. Venom is a huge black predictable blob when he ults until he uses it. Psylockes ult is weaker the more people are in the AoE, because it splits up the limited amount of attacks she has, including Loki just slapping clones in there. Thor moves extremely slowly while he is flying around, Magneto announces his Ult and his Ult is really weak if you do not shoot him while he does it. Helas Ult is significantly limited by the environment. Magiks Ult is a Transformation that you either need to use early and waste precious seconds before you can engage with it, or you use it while inside the enemy team and risk getting instantly bombed. Captain Americas Ult is just a weird engagement tool. Doctor Strange needs to be smack dab in the enemy team to utilize his ult properly. Hawkeye needs to still hit Shots on Afterimages when he Ults, Black Widows Ult is weirdly bad because it's on this Games Version of Widwomaker.
Buckys Ult is only Valuable if you can manage to get enemies to the execution cutoff. Star Lord is thwarted by Cover, Punisher is Thwarted by Cover.

The only somewhat comparable Ults are MKs and Storms I guess. SO where is the Risk or the Tradeoff in Jeffs ult. He just Noms people, makes his Hitbox smaller, and then auto-kills whoever he hit with an ult that activates significantly faster than comparable DUelist Ults.