The Lack of Balance Is Starting To Turn Me Away

[Borko]

Iron Fist obliterating every role in the game, especially Strategists, and backlines every match, becoming immortal while holding right click and gaining armor, and almost always getting away. There is no one in the game that can counter him and his attacks go through shields like Dr Strange's and Magneto's. He also magnetizes to you so if you try to get away with a dash, a grapple, or a boost into the air from any character, he will still magnetize to you, and he has THREE jumps.
Not even Iron Man at the top of the skybox can avoid him. Rocket dashing twice straight up can't avoid him. Dr Strange boosting up into the air can't avoid him. Nobody can.
Iron Fist is in literally every match, and I mean LITERALLY.

Jeff eating the entire team with a near instant undodgeable ult and then jumping off a cliff to kill them all. EVERY Jeff does this and it happens multiple times a match. There are a LOT of Jeff players playing him purely so they can do this.

Wanda has just way too much in her kit and her range is ridiculous for what it is.

Hawkeye.

Storm is almost completely useless and almost nobody uses her.

Strategists are extremely frustrating to play across the board because of the high mobility in this game and how easily Duelists can slaughter them without them being able to do much about it.
Almost nobody wants to play them because of this.

Whatever matchmaker they're using is the worst I've ever seen in any video game in my entire life.

I really hope they balance this stuff out, but I'm worried after all the times they've said that they want fun to be first and foremost, that they're going to leave busted characters like Iron Fist busted forever so that they remain "fun".

[John Destiny]

Originally posted by I <3 Klobürste:

nerf psylocke

Real talk. I’m surprised this hasn’t been said more.

[KiroTheImmortal]

Originally posted by John Outlast:

Originally posted by I <3 Klobürste:

nerf psylocke

Real talk. I’m surprised this hasn’t been said more.

because she sucks ass compared to any other hero

[Ryuk]

scarlet witch needs the fattest nerf all she has to do is look in your general direction cross hair doesn't have to be on you and she can still drain you quickly using nothing but that. she is literally a no skill character. all you have to do is look in general direction and hold the trigger/button. someone targets you no prob you get 2 long duration teleport with short cd and then continue hold the trigger/button. please for the love of god nerf her.

[[BIO] Orangecoke]

Balance needs work. But there's an "Iron Fist is so weak" post also in this forum so I'm not sure everyone is on the same page. Except for Jeff, hit little ult trick is totally obnoxious.

[TMC]

i must be in bot lobbies cause every iron fist looks like a npc

[Yexrobd]

It's insane that hawkeye has a 0.7 sec charge time with no damage falloff and can one shot meanwhile Black Widow gets her one shot removed and has a dmg falloff past 10m. What was the point of giving her a sniper when you could've given her a whole different kit

[DaddyEcho69]

I do see your points and agree with some of them, although I am enjoying the chaos. :D
Iron Fist is a pain since I mainly play strategist, but Luna's freeze kind of solves that problem for me.

[SoloQ]

Agreed. Balance isn't the greatest.
And "It just came out" isn't an excuse. They've had plenty of time to QA and beta test.

The biggest disappointment for me is Storm. An omega level mutant whose praised as a goddess is a buffbot who tickles with wind.

[KiroTheImmortal]

Originally posted by SoloQ:

Agreed. Balance isn't the greatest.
And "It just came out" isn't an excuse. They've had plenty of time to QA and beta test.

The biggest disappointment for me is Storm. An omega level mutant whose praised as a goddess is a buffbot who tickles with wind.

Man you realy arnt the sharpest tool.

QA is for bugs not balancing. And even then players are still smarter and will find more bugs.

If QA testers where skilled enough to be balance testers, they wouldn't be QA testers.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Borko:

Iron Fist obliterating every role in the game, especially Strategists, and backlines every match, becoming immortal while holding right click and gaining armor, and almost always getting away. There is no one in the game that can counter him and his attacks go through shields like Dr Strange's and Magneto's. He also magnetizes to you so if you try to get away with a dash, a grapple, or a boost into the air from any character, he will still magnetize to you, and he has THREE jumps.
Not even Iron Man at the top of the skybox can avoid him. Rocket dashing twice straight up can't avoid him. Dr Strange boosting up into the air can't avoid him. Nobody can.
Iron Fist is in literally every match, and I mean LITERALLY.

Jeff eating the entire team with a near instant undodgeable ult and then jumping off a cliff to kill them all. EVERY Jeff does this and it happens multiple times a match. There are a LOT of Jeff players playing him purely so they can do this.

Wanda has just way too much in her kit and her range is ridiculous for what it is.

Hawkeye.

Storm is almost completely useless and almost nobody uses her.

Strategists are extremely frustrating to play across the board because of the high mobility in this game and how easily Duelists can slaughter them without them being able to do much about it.
Almost nobody wants to play them because of this.

Whatever matchmaker they're using is the worst I've ever seen in any video game in my entire life.

I really hope they balance this stuff out, but I'm worried after all the times they've said that they want fun to be first and foremost, that they're going to leave busted characters like Iron Fist busted forever so that they remain "fun".

Dude, just learn to play Mantis and you will obliterate Iron Fist. She also obliterates Wanda. Dagger can also kick Wanda's ass pretty easily. Luna blocks her ult.

Switch to heroes with movement skills and you can easily avoid Jeff's ult. Rocket just dashes and he's out of danger. Psylock can do the same. So can panther. Wolverine. Iron fist. Even Peni can do it if she's good.

Skill issue seriously.

The balance is definitely borked but all the things you are complaining about have counterplay. except Storm, you are correct she is useless.

Support isn't frustrating to play. It's mad fun! I'm a Support Main, I play mostly support to fill out the team. I can counter every dive DPS and dive Tank in the roster with a support. Including Venom. Just use your head and learn to play instead of complaining.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Rocket:

Luna right click and Mantis damage boost. Ping and voice chat "IronFist help!"

He will be a huge pain until your team renders him useless, yes.

Mantis is essentially a hardcounter to Iron Fist. You can easily stun him every single time he dives you and kill him before he can move. Luna is an equal duel. You can freeze him but you can't kill him the way Mantis can, and it's easy to miss the snowball.

Don't rely on your team, learn how to counter him yourself, it is doable. I do it all the time because there are so many Iron Fist players.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Ryuk:

scarlet witch needs the fattest nerf all she has to do is look in your general direction cross hair doesn't have to be on you and she can still drain you quickly using nothing but that. she is literally a no skill character. all you have to do is look in general direction and hold the trigger/button. someone targets you no prob you get 2 long duration teleport with short cd and then continue hold the trigger/button. please for the love of god nerf her.

You can easily duel Scarlet Witch with Dagger, and unless the Scarlet Witch is actually good you have the advantage. Just shoot her with Dagger for a bit, drop your healing bubble, switch to cloak and DPS her down at her own game. You will win. If she tries to stun you'll be fine, just walk out. If she tries to fade away you can let her run, or you can just chase her down with Dagger, she has a bright red light you just need to follow, throw your homing blades at her and she dies, she can't run from you.

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Jay:

You are gonna have a lot of people commenting these one-off specific counters to anything you say... like, "It's not that hard. Skill issue." or "Bro, just ping your team to kill the Iron Fist," as though you aren't dead in literally 2 seconds when he pounces.

So, ill just say this... I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Not all, but a lot. And the game definitely needs to see some balance patches soon. The forums are ripe with people that make lofty claims about "This one time... in band camp... I killed an Iron Fist... so it's not that hard, bro."

Just stun him. It is not hard. With Mantis it's essentially an "I Win" button. Luna can also do it. So can Peni Parker, but Iron Fist is usually not going to mess with Peni Parker. He likes to go for the backline. If the Iron Fist is eating your back line just switch to Mantis and watch him switch off faster than you can say "Kunlun sucks."

Some other heroes have CC that can also inconvenience him but Mantis is the one true hard counter.

[Mister Sir]

Thing is that he is right about everything outside of strategists. You can still heal if you are fast enough in reaction department.

Iron fist is absolute bs and anyone who says otherwise is iron first mains who don't wanna stop pretending that they are good and not simply carried by the character. Do I always lose to that character? No, but just because a guy with a gun lost to a guy with a knife, does not mean guy with a gun did not have baseline advantage.

Hawkeye damage is absurd and his ult just kinda aim bot level bs, like hey, here, two tap anyone you want as they essentially stand still, you doing good buddy!

Scarlet witch I am conflicted on because I have not played her myself and I am hearing lots of conflicting info. Over all she feels like she got bit much going for her but the only thing I can vouch on is that her shield team ups are bad game design. You should not just have easy team wipe combo where having two characters on your team and pressing one button on each results in wiping entire team with nearly no counter to it if you yourself did not chocke the execution. What I mean is when you have hulk or magneto put shield on scarlet witch when she is about to ult and she cant be killed while she ults, in which case her opponents skill level is nearly entirely irrelevant and only player controlling scarlet witch ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up somehow matters.

Then you got characters like wolverine.... like wtf is even that? Is he a tank? Is he a duelist? Neither! He is bad at both and I say that with higher win ratio over lose ration on my wolverine. You can't outdamage healing someone gets and vs you can't even 100 to 0 good portion of the characters with full combo, right click into attack into lunge into berserker rage into full meter build up ult into more attacks and quite a few will survive all that and then might even kill your squishy ass. Remember, this is same game that have ults like psylocks, hawkeyes, starlords, scarletwitchs, etc. The contrast is stark and I do not mean tony stark, he sucks too.

Some also do way too much damage considering their role while wolerine hits like wet napkin. I recall mantis hitting me for 150 hp, which is wowzie much for a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ healer.

[Shuyin178]

Wanda and Storm I agree with the most honestly.
I don't use Wanda, but I tried her out in the practice range. Her primary attack has WAY too much leniency with its beam tracking, especially when compared to similar primary attacks like Dagger's. It snaps way too far from the cross-hair, easily twice as far as Dagger's can from his cross-hair, allowing her to attack flying targets much easier than most of the roster. Her primary fire also does % max health damage which allows her to shred through tanks just as easily as a 250 HP support, with her secondary fire is used to finish supports faster.
Wanda's ultimate is also a pretty big problem because of its 100% Max HP damage in a wide AOE. Yes, you can stun her out of it like with Peni's secondary attack and a few others, but if you can't your options are to either hope the Wanda is trash and flies into line of sight early to get melted or just die if you're in the AOE. I feel like her ult should only deal 80% Max HP at most, not 100% Max HP to even auto-kill tanks, even if that is lore accurate levels of power from her.

As for Storm, well she's pretty bad. I love Storm's character design and what they were going for with her kit, but she does next to nothing. Her primary fire is way too slow a projectile, her secondary fire is a meh lightning beam at best as well. I like the concept of her AOE field granting buffs to allies based on if its wind (movement speed buff) or lightning (damage buff) along with her ability to amplify them to effect enemies. The amplified wind slows enemies within its range..... but it's nearly unnoticeable so I think its slow should be doubled in strength, and the amplified lightning causes lightning strikes onto enemies within range.... she's a low HP flying character that has to get into medium range of enemies to zap them, which is a problem.
I'd rather Storm's amplify mode enhance her entire kit. Keeping in the AOE field effects, but also having the amplify mode increase the travel speed of her basic attack and have it slow enemies it hits, and having the amplified mode make her secondary attack double in range and chain-lightning to all enemies within a radius of each other to stun the enemy team like a taser and decrease its cooldown per-enemy hit.