Jeff the Land Shark is a very high skill character

[minister of chlorine]

you have to understand that swallowing 4 heroes with an AoE bigger than the objective, then walking over a ledge with them takes an immense IQ, at least in the 200s if not more. you're just mad that scarlet witch gets shot down before she can do her thing :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7qiwlGtQTE

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

you have to understand that swallowing 4 heroes with an AoE bigger than the objective, then walking over a ledge with them takes an immense IQ, at least in the 200s if not more. you're just mad that scarlet witch gets shot down before she can do her thing :^)

maybe the highest IQ play of all is "Lets all clump up like Dumb Donkeys and let it happen to us when we hear "OM NOM NOM!" at 1200 decibels

[minister of chlorine]

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

maybe the highest IQ play of all is "Lets all clump up like Dumb Donkeys and let it happen to us when we hear "OM NOM NOM!" at 1200 decibels

1 or 2 is already too much, considering it's literally unavoidable and you can't see it coming until it's too late.

[Good Person]

Yeah IDK what happened between cbt and now. Jeff before was objectively really bad. But then they buffed the hell out of his Dive and idk if it's for the better or worse, as he's very difficult to kill even as a lone duelist without using a ult(implying he's not getting support from his team).

Which I guess is the norm? Most ults need another ult to counter it, but Jeff feels over the top as it removes most of your allies from assisting with stopping the environmental kill, and even then not every ult can help against it. Best counter I can think of is Cloaks' right click but if allies press buttons during the invisiblity they'll get hit.

IMO they need to nerf the speed jeff travels while ulting so it acts as more of a tempo reset than it does free environmental kills on any map with a ledge.

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

maybe the highest IQ play of all is "Lets all clump up like Dumb Donkeys and let it happen to us when we hear "OM NOM NOM!" at 1200 decibels

1 or 2 is already too much, considering it's literally unavoidable and you can't see it coming until it's too late.

moon knight, iron man, magneto, scarlet witch, all do the same thing, instantly kill you with an impossible to dodge instant activation area of effect ult

the only 2 differences being

1. jeffs ult has a slightly longer wind up, and you can see him coming if you watch for his fin in the ground

2. he has the opportunity to not get to the ledge in time to spit you out and you won't die, and that is even if there is a ledge in the map for him to spit you off of

all the arguments i hear against jeffs ult, are entirely just salt based when those same people think other ults that instantly kill you "doing practically the same thing" are fine

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

yea its funny when he runs into pennys mines when he tries to run away, and gets blown up and dies! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hilarious =D please do it some more, so i can laugh at you more...

[Good Person]

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

you have to understand that swallowing 4 heroes with an AoE bigger than the objective, then walking over a ledge with them takes an immense IQ, at least in the 200s if not more. you're just mad that scarlet witch gets shot down before she can do her thing :^)

maybe the highest IQ play of all is "Lets all clump up like Dumb Donkeys and let it happen to us when we hear "OM NOM NOM!" at 1200 decibels

This too, but people just aren't aware whats going on.

I still have flankers running headfirst into Peni's spiders nest then acting dumbfounded that the sign that essentially says "Beware of bombs" actually had bombs behind the sign

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by Good Person:

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

maybe the highest IQ play of all is "Lets all clump up like Dumb Donkeys and let it happen to us when we hear "OM NOM NOM!" at 1200 decibels

This too, but people just aren't aware whats going on.

I still have flankers running headfirst into Peni's spiders nest then acting dumbfounded that the sign that essentially says "Beware of bombs" actually had bombs behind the sign

100% this isn't a "Jeff OP" problem it is a "Game is new, need to learn game sense" problem

[A2nSensation]

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

1 or 2 is already too much, considering it's literally unavoidable and you can't see it coming until it's too late.

moon knight, iron man, magneto, scarlet witch, all do the same thing, instantly kill you with an impossible to dodge instant activation area of effect ult

the only 2 differences being

1. jeffs ult has a slightly longer wind up, and you can see him coming if you watch for his fin in the ground

2. he has the opportunity to not get to the ledge in time to spit you out and you won't die, and that is even if there is a ledge in the map for him to spit you off of

all the arguments i hear against jeffs ult, are entirely just salt based when those same people think other ults that instantly kill you "doing practically the same thing" are fine

Impossible to dodge? are you 60? The ult takes many seconds to execute with a loud ass visual and audio cue. If you're letting a SW get their ult off, you're actually bad. And I'm saying that as a SW main. Those ults are damn near impossible to execute unless you catch them coming to objective from a corner out of view, or you catch them by surprise. All that's telling me is that you're a low level player, because as soon as I got to upper silver, getting off that ult is impossible.

[Extravical]

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

1 or 2 is already too much, considering it's literally unavoidable and you can't see it coming until it's too late.

moon knight, iron man, magneto, scarlet witch, all do the same thing, instantly kill you with an impossible to dodge instant activation area of effect ult

the only 2 differences being

1. jeffs ult has a slightly longer wind up, and you can see him coming if you watch for his fin in the ground

2. he has the opportunity to not get to the ledge in time to spit you out and you won't die, and that is even if there is a ledge in the map for him to spit you off of

all the arguments i hear against jeffs ult, are entirely just salt based when those same people think other ults that instantly kill you "doing practically the same thing" are fine

Jeff's ult also takes longer to kill you, which results in you waiting longer to get back into the game. an instant death means u get to respawn faster.

[minister of chlorine]

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

moon knight, iron man, magneto, scarlet witch, all do the same thing, instantly kill you with an impossible to dodge instant activation area of effect ult

1. they literally don't
2. the radius is significantly smaller for all of them
3. scarlet's ult, which is the most likely to kill you of these, gives you enough time to either kill her or hide behind cover.

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

1. jeffs ult has a slightly longer wind up, and you can see him coming if you watch for his fin in the ground

the fin is invisible when he's ulting.

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

2. he has the opportunity to not get to the ledge in time to spit you out and you won't die, and that is even if there is a ledge in the map for him to spit you off of

bad argument. if you made scarlet's ult apply to the whole map, but it only worked on certain maps and you still technically had time to kill her that wouldn't make it balanced.

It's actually hilarious that you're arguing that Jeff's ult is perfectly balanced and avoidable, but then claim that some of the easiest to dodge ults in the game will insta kill you with no counterplay.

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by A2nSensation:

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

moon knight, iron man, magneto, scarlet witch, all do the same thing, instantly kill you with an impossible to dodge instant activation area of effect ult

the only 2 differences being

1. jeffs ult has a slightly longer wind up, and you can see him coming if you watch for his fin in the ground

2. he has the opportunity to not get to the ledge in time to spit you out and you won't die, and that is even if there is a ledge in the map for him to spit you off of

all the arguments i hear against jeffs ult, are entirely just salt based when those same people think other ults that instantly kill you "doing practically the same thing" are fine

Impossible to dodge? are you 60? The ult takes many seconds to execute with a loud ass visual and audio cue. If you're letting a SW get their ult off, you're actually bad. And I'm saying that as a SW main. Those ults are damn near impossible to execute unless you catch them coming to objective from a corner out of view, or you catch them by surprise. All that's telling me is that you're a low level player, because as soon as I got to upper silver, getting off that ult is impossible.

and jeffs ult is easy to avoid if you listen for the ult sound, and idk... maybe don't clump up?

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by Extravical:

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

moon knight, iron man, magneto, scarlet witch, all do the same thing, instantly kill you with an impossible to dodge instant activation area of effect ult

the only 2 differences being

1. jeffs ult has a slightly longer wind up, and you can see him coming if you watch for his fin in the ground

2. he has the opportunity to not get to the ledge in time to spit you out and you won't die, and that is even if there is a ledge in the map for him to spit you off of

all the arguments i hear against jeffs ult, are entirely just salt based when those same people think other ults that instantly kill you "doing practically the same thing" are fine

Jeff's ult also takes longer to kill you, which results in you waiting longer to get back into the game. an instant death means u get to respawn faster.

it also doesn't always kill you

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

moon knight, iron man, magneto, scarlet witch, all do the same thing, instantly kill you with an impossible to dodge instant activation area of effect ult

1. they literally don't
2. the radius is significantly smaller for all of them
3. scarlet's ult, which is the most likely to kill you of these, gives you enough time to either kill her or hide behind cover.

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

1. jeffs ult has a slightly longer wind up, and you can see him coming if you watch for his fin in the ground

the fin is invisible when he's ulting.

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

2. he has the opportunity to not get to the ledge in time to spit you out and you won't die, and that is even if there is a ledge in the map for him to spit you off of

bad argument. if you made scarlet's ult apply to the whole map, but it only worked on certain maps and you still technically had time to kill her that wouldn't make it balanced.

1.1 yes they do
1.2 no they're not
1.3 and jeffs can be avoided just the same way

2.1 yes, but you should be keeping an eye on where he is

3.1 bad argument, jeffs ult doesn't take up the whole map, only works on certain maps, and you can kill him while he is performing

[minister of chlorine]

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

1.1 yes they do
1.2 no they're not
1.3 and jeffs can be avoided just the same way

2.1 yes, but you should be keeping an eye on where he is

3.1 bad argument, jeffs ult doesn't take up the whole map, only works on certain maps, and you can kill him while he is performing

you're unironically arguing that Magneto and Iron Man's ults are just as unavoidable as Jeff's. Jesus Christ

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by magnesium-based lifeform:

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

1.1 yes they do
1.2 no they're not
1.3 and jeffs can be avoided just the same way

2.1 yes, but you should be keeping an eye on where he is

3.1 bad argument, jeffs ult doesn't take up the whole map, only works on certain maps, and you can kill him while he is performing

you're unironically arguing that Magneto and Iron Man's ults are just as unavoidable as Jeff's. Jesus Christ

they are just as unavoidable as jeffs, as in, they can all be avoided