Widow needs a buff.

[Roland]

She feels so impotent in close quarters. Batons only do 45 damage. I'm not sure what the best move would be to improve her, but her only having 2 abilities and 2 weapons doesn't help.

She doesn't even get a passive...

[immdev]

So you want a sniper character to excel in CQC?

[Roland]

Originally posted by immdev:

So you want a sniper character to excel in CQC?

Excel?
Who tf said excel!?
Why are you being hyperbolic? Is it because you just want to argue?
Go somewhere with that nonsense.

She has no great way to get melee that get the drop on her, off of her. And certain characters, like Iron Fist, are highly mobile and close distance on her way too easily.

She also has the fewest abilities in the game; it's that meme where Widow always gets the short end of the stick.

No matter how you slice it, she's got a lot of room for improvement.

[Mochan]

She's a sniper. She's not supposed to do well in close combat.

[Goldman]

Originally posted by Roland:

She feels so impotent in close quarters. Batons only do 45 damage. I'm not sure what the best move would be to improve her, but her only having 2 abilities and 2 weapons doesn't help.

She doesn't even get a passive...

That's why you get a kick to push people when they get in melee and a sprint to run away. If you can't do well with those, you need to get better.

[UnFolle]

Originally posted by Roland:

Originally posted by immdev:

So you want a sniper character to excel in CQC?

Excel?
Who tf said excel!?
Why are you being hyperbolic? Is it because you just want to argue?
Go somewhere with that nonsense.

She has no great way to get melee that get the drop on her, off of her. And certain characters, like Iron Fist, are highly mobile and close distance on her way too easily.

She also has the fewest abilities in the game; it's that meme where Widow always gets the short end of the stick.

No matter how you slice it, she's got a lot of room for improvement.

I think you are right to be honest, there is no point in picking Black Widow when Hela exists. Hela is 10x better at everything. She has invulnerability with an escape, faster fire rate, a stun, right click for fun and ulti is like 10x that of Black Widow. They dropped the ball with her tbh.

[Roland]

Originally posted by Mochan:

She's a sniper. She's not supposed to do well in close combat.

Originally posted by Goldman:

Originally posted by Roland:

She feels so impotent in close quarters. Batons only do 45 damage. I'm not sure what the best move would be to improve her, but her only having 2 abilities and 2 weapons doesn't help.

She doesn't even get a passive...

That's why you get a kick to push people when they get in melee and a sprint to run away. If you can't do well with those, you need to get better.

Her escape, and kick, both suck when you got characters with even a little bit of range. You can kick Iron Fist back and he can still hit you without closing any distance. Same for Venom and a few others.
Like, even the kick is impotent....

[Obtuse Moose]

A plague upon sniper mains

[Roland]

Originally posted by Obtuse Moose:

A plague upon sniper mains

Big mood

[Sydju]

All she needs is better mobility, the rest is fine imo. The batons are just for when you get jumped. Hit E, twice, then tap with batons - most enemies are dead. Ive 1v1d countless melee enemies (Wolverine, Spiderman mainly). Hit with sniper - swap - boot - slap

[Durandal]

Literally 1 taps most of the game's roster if you've even remotely got good aim.

[Butler]

Originally posted by immdev:

So you want a sniper character to excel in CQC?

She already does. You don't need ADS to do more damage. Hip fire doesn't have less accuracy.

Hip fire + kick + baton hit = Rip any duelist hero. That's literally a 1.2 second combo.

[mercureXI]

Originally posted by Roland:

She feels so impotent in close quarters. Batons only do 45 damage. I'm not sure what the best move would be to improve her, but her only having 2 abilities and 2 weapons doesn't help.

She doesn't even get a passive...

No she doesn't need a buff.

She can take out 90%+ of health with one shot from miles away.

In a game with melee champs.

Thank god she feels "meh" once you finally get close to her !

[Roland]

Originally posted by Durandal:

Literally 1 taps most of the game's roster if you've even remotely got good aim.

Literally false.

Originally posted by mercureXI:

No she doesn't need a buff.

Also you:

Originally posted by mercureXI:

she feels "meh" once you finally get close to her !

[Gilmore]

Originally posted by Roland:

doesn't even get a passive...

Tons of characters don't have passives, whats your point?

She is a sniper that can 1-shot most characters. She does not need a buff whatsoever.

[Roland]

Originally posted by Gilmore:

Originally posted by Roland:

doesn't even get a passive...

Tons of characters don't have passives, whats your point?

She is a sniper that can 1-shot most characters. She does not need a buff whatsoever.

Everyone else has more than 2 abilities. She could at least get a passive to make up for her lack of active abilities.

And she can't one-shot anything without being actively buffed by a support character or the target being weakened by a debuff.
A headshot on a full hp character always leaves some amount of HP left.

It's remarkable how many people want to argue against her getting a buff when they clearly haven't played her much (if at all). She has the fewest options and lowest survivability, period.

She can "runaway" but most melee characters have a way to close distance that is much faster than her run. So "run away to escape" is not a valid option.

She can kick people away, but Hulk is the only character that can't just hit her afterwards without even moving, and that's only if his clap and stun are both on cooldown.

And she can't one-shot and is easy to get the drop on if you know the maps because almost every point in most maps has multiple ways to reach it.