fix or nerf spiderman, clipls included

[76561199843450021]

I hate how often spider-man can just pull himself on anyone through walls or shoot web cluster without actually hitting my body because my hitbox is much larger than what I see so I cant f evade!!!
Either fix this or nerf him
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[OMEGA]

Spiderman counters flying heroes

[XalonMG]

1 - read spiderman's abilities and tactics on the wiki or anywhere else.
2 - realize spiderman is not OP and is an easy kill

He is very easy to kill when you double-team him or have a tank kill him. Wolverine, Hulk, Emma, Thor, Iron Fist, Black Panther, and many others can easily 1v1 him and win.

[76561199843450021]

Originally posted by OMEGA:

Spiderman counters flying heroes

skills counter not the hero, not having to web through walls

[Vudash]

He is getting nerfed along with groot in the next patch

[[p][u][n] ☕]

Originally posted by XalonMG:

1 - read spiderman's abilities and tactics on the wiki or anywhere else.
2 - realize spiderman is not OP and is an easy kill

He is very easy to kill when you double-team him or have a tank kill him. Wolverine, Hulk, Emma, Thor, Iron Fist, Black Panther, and many others can easily 1v1 him and win.

I suppose if the argument is that you're required to double team him, then its off to a bad start.

But going further, you're picking out the heroes who can 1v1 him as other heroes who require similar mechanics (melee), ie, the kind of people who can play those heroes aren't the ones who have trouble with spiderman.

Hes very beatable, but saying he is an easy kill is super disingenuous. A competent spiderman player w/ a venom team up can thrash a backline and there are only so many defensive abilities that supports have to survive the burst that is going to happen, independent of whether or not any team members come back to try and peel.

The game is slowly morphing into a melee brawl game and I can understand why supports mains aren't having it anymore.

[Dark Consort]

Originally posted by OMEGA:

Spiderman counters flying heroes

spiderman counters heroes*

fixed this for you

[Wakipai Pero #PLAYGG]

Originally posted by XalonMG:

1 - read spiderman's abilities and tactics on the wiki or anywhere else.
2 - realize spiderman is not OP and is an easy kill

He is very easy to kill when you double-team him or have a tank kill him. Wolverine, Hulk, Emma, Thor, Iron Fist, Black Panther, and many others can easily 1v1 him and win.

Every hero is easy to kill if you 2v1 them. Onto the next point, Spider-Man doesn't need to 1v1 anyone he can't win. His kit allows him to easily pick his fights. Even when he's being "hard countered". Even against Namor, he can just run away whenever Namor uses his turrets or bubble, then go back and kill him because his cooldowns are shorter. In fact he can waste everyone's defensive cooldowns and still kill.

[Just end trashbag.]

Originally posted by Vudash:

He is getting nerfed along with groot in the next patch

not that much a thing. uppercut nerf not the damage still making him the most boring to play against. dude not relying on the aoe anyway. only one shot low health.

[Wakipai Pero #PLAYGG]

He has a high skill ceiling, but he needs to have a high skill floor as well. Right now his kit is too forgiving for how much value it gives.

[Kuranes]

It really amuses me how Spider-Man has gone from being a hero that nobody wanted on their team when people didn’t know how to play him, to being a hero that nobody wants on the opposing team now that people know how to play him, because he destroys entire teams.

[Oni-Lyrics]

Spiderman launched extremely strong
People were bad at him and demanded he be buffed
He got buffed, now hes the most banned hero across all platforms.

[doofus0510]

Originally posted by Wakipai Pero #PLAYGG:

Originally posted by XalonMG:

1 - read spiderman's abilities and tactics on the wiki or anywhere else.
2 - realize spiderman is not OP and is an easy kill

He is very easy to kill when you double-team him or have a tank kill him. Wolverine, Hulk, Emma, Thor, Iron Fist, Black Panther, and many others can easily 1v1 him and win.

Every hero is easy to kill if you 2v1 them. Onto the next point, Spider-Man doesn't need to 1v1 anyone he can't win. His kit allows him to easily pick his fights. Even when he's being "hard countered". Even against Namor, he can just run away whenever Namor uses his turrets or bubble, then go back and kill him because his cooldowns are shorter. In fact he can waste everyone's defensive cooldowns and still kill.

why is it a 1v1 in the first place(spiderman punishes bad positioning so unless your also a diver in which your not his main target, why are you playing out of your healer's line of sight) edit:I forgot, if your the healer, you have to treat your self-sustain and the other healer as your lifeline as without the venom team-up spiderman is very react-able even thought he also is with the team-up as well but it's lower cuz of the faster ttk

[Wakipai Pero #PLAYGG]

Originally posted by doofus0510:

Originally posted by Wakipai Pero #PLAYGG:

Every hero is easy to kill if you 2v1 them. Onto the next point, Spider-Man doesn't need to 1v1 anyone he can't win. His kit allows him to easily pick his fights. Even when he's being "hard countered". Even against Namor, he can just run away whenever Namor uses his turrets or bubble, then go back and kill him because his cooldowns are shorter. In fact he can waste everyone's defensive cooldowns and still kill.

why is it a 1v1 in the first place(spiderman punishes bad positioning so unless your also a diver in which your not his main target, why are you playing out of your healer's line of sight) edit:I forgot, if your the healer, you have to treat your self-sustain and the other healer as your lifeline as without the venom team-up spiderman is very react-able even thought he also is with the team-up as well but it's lower cuz of the faster ttk

Because Venom just dived us? Because Ben just crashed into everyone? Because I'm getting out of a Moon Knight's ankh radius? Because I can't spend the whole game and all my resources to just deal with one hero and I shouldn't have to?

[doofus0510]

Originally posted by Wakipai Pero #PLAYGG:

Originally posted by doofus0510:

why is it a 1v1 in the first place(spiderman punishes bad positioning so unless your also a diver in which your not his main target, why are you playing out of your healer's line of sight) edit:I forgot, if your the healer, you have to treat your self-sustain and the other healer as your lifeline as without the venom team-up spiderman is very react-able even thought he also is with the team-up as well but it's lower cuz of the faster ttk

Because Venom just dived us? Because Ben just crashed into everyone? Because I'm getting out of a Moon Knight's ankh radius? Because I can't spend the whole game and all my resources to just deal with one hero and I shouldn't have to?

if all that is happening to you specifically it's a team-diff(it's not all your problem as support relies on their team the most, only under tanks when it comes to team reliance)

[NeonSaltRocket]

I don't think it's asking a lot to fix how the webs interact with the environment and in instances where characters are supposed to be invulnerable. Those look like bugs.