So no one sees Cloak & Dagger are and always have been obviously OP?

[Krosis Priest]

Yes, I tried playing them and it's even easier than I thought.

- They do not have a single ability that requires any aim. Even Dagger's basic heal/attack is an aimbot for some stupid reason. No risk, all reward.
- Won't even mention Cloak and who thought that cramming a Scarlet Witch-lite into a support was a good idea.
- Possibly the most broken ult in the game. It's basically Luna's ult with much bigger AoE and IT DOES DAMAGE on top. It basically autowins teamfights and is far more powerful than Luna's or Invisible Woman's because it can be much more easily spread over a larger area.
- Insane healing with no skill required. I typically see C&D having the highest healing in the match while being barely noticeable and not having to take any risks.

The only support that's infuriating to play against and that requires just no skill whatsoever. Maybe do something about them at last?

[Shady]

C&D ult is actually very confined. Four lines of territory isn't much. In fact, it makes it the EASIEST healer ult in the game to counter, because people have to stand in specific spots to benefit from it (without being invisible for it like with IW).

... But I have a feeling explaining any more would be a waste of time, huh?

[Krosis Priest]

Originally posted by Shady:

C&D ult is actually very confined. Four lines of territory isn't much. In fact, it makes it the EASIEST healer ult in the game to counter, because people have to stand in specific spots to benefit from it (without being invisible for it like with IW).

... But I have a feeling explaining any more would be a waste of time, huh?

If by "explaining" you mean being obviously wrong, not knowing how massive the AoE actually is, and ignoring everything else that's been pointed out, then yes, don't bother.

[Karnarax]

Good Magneto players completely deny CnD. She is worse than Luna, Invis or Rocket atm.

[Mitrovarr]

CnD kind of have a trash winrate right now.

[melonLord]

Uh. No. Especially with all the nerf's they've gotten. They're consistently one of the the lowest winrate supports in the game for a reason.

[Krosis Priest]

The stats on the website show the highest pickrate of all supports by FAR and pretty much the same winrate as Invisible Woman or Luna. They got no nerfs last patch.

So uh, no to all the above?

[VOLUME SHOOTER]

GET JIGGY

[Brandon]

its easy to one tap her out of her ult

[melonLord]

Originally posted by Krosis Priest:

The stats on the website show the highest pickrate of all supports by FAR and pretty much the same winrate as Invisible Woman or Luna. They got no nerfs last patch.

So uh, no to all the above?

She has the second lowest winrate of all supports in comp despite her high pick rate and relative ease of use. Points to her kit not actually being incredibly strong after all. Consistent, yes. OP, No.

She's just not THAT strong in practice.

[Shuyin178]

As a C&D main since Season 0, I can say that they have never been "always OP".
They have been decently consistent, but not OP. The first big buff they got was the 4th dash with their ult at the start of S1, and the next was the dash line timer matching across all 4 dashes instead of individual (meaning all of the ult vanishes at the same time instead of individually).

Now to go through your bullet points:
- Generally speaking, yes you do have to aim. To be more specific, you need to be more precise and have better positioning than most other supports when healing as Dagger due to the lock-on mechanic. Dagger struggles with healing the ally at the front of the group from the very back because she'll lock onto an ally closer in front of herself if she isn't careful, which means she cannot properly heal the one you want to further in the front if you have poor positioning. On top of that, you have to be aware of bounce angles to heal targets out of LOS.
- While Cloak's primary attack is similar to Wanda's, it deals less damage, has a shorter range, and is far less forgiving with its tracking than hers is. Cloak cannot properly 1v1 opponents, he can only try to finish them off or chip an enemy just before going down for the rest of your team to finish off if possible.
- Yes, their ult is powerful, but it's much more restricted to a zone or line arrangement than Luna or Mantis who can jump around with theirs active to heal across the field. On top of that, due to being forced to pause between dashes, it also makes them extremely vulnerable to Magneto's ultimate, as well as Hawkeye and damage boosted Black Widow, all of whom can 1-shot C&D out of their ult which causes it to be canceled. Once their dashes finish they can also be kidnapped by characters like Wolverine or even Bucky, then assassinated causing their ult to cancel as well. Counterplay options exist for this ultimate.
- In order for Dagger to get the amount of healing she does, she needs to be on point with her daggers, her bubbles, and her healing amp veil, as well as properly placed ultimates to give maximum value for your team. While they can provide some of the best healing, in the hands of someone that doesn't know what they are doing, they can also have sub-par healing in the wrong hands.

[SuaveMonke]

Originally posted by Shady:

C&D ult is actually very confined. Four lines of territory isn't much. In fact, it makes it the EASIEST healer ult in the game to counter, because people have to stand in specific spots to benefit from it (without being invisible for it like with IW).

... But I have a feeling explaining any more would be a waste of time, huh?

Tell me you're a cloak and dagger main without telling me you're a cloak and dagger main.

[soso]

As a C&D main, they are NOT OP at all. They have some of the worst healing in the game.

[Dark Consort]

she's great but she's not op

She's pretty static with a single out of jail card that is pretty predictable by any competent diver

Her heal is great to target heroes that can be hard to track but she can't really keep a tank in the heat by herself

Cloak M1 is basically Wanda with less range

Her ult can be strong but is also very easy to avoid and counter

To me she is pretty balanced

[EndoBruh]

dude is really upset at a support character lmfao

[RawwkinGrimmie64]

Cloak & Dagger have gone through every possible balancing mechanic (buff, nerf, re-balance) and yet, y'all still complain that they are (and always have been) overpowered. It's insanely laughable. When there are Strategists with mobile healing ultimates like Luna and Mantis, damage boosters like Luna, Rocket, and Mantis, or revive abilities like Adam and Rocket, you think Cloak & Dagger is overpowered?

If you hate healers so much, go play COD or Halo and duke it out with your buddies. I'm so tired of seeing people say that characters with generous aim are OP or that all Strategists are OP. Of course you all hate Cloak & Dagger, because they combine the two things you hate the most. Just go play something else.