How to counter iron fist

[FRANKHOWITZER]

Had an issue with countering iron fist and no matter what i play he heals himself faster than i can deal damage, i tried more springing and flighty classes but he can basically fly due to his insane movement, and even when i get him to low health he just has a constant shield active and uses his super fast fists. He's honestly making match making unplayable for me atm, because there's literally nothing i can do.

[Vermilion Knight]

Iron fist is quite literally one of the worst picks in the game right now. Sure he can heal quite a lot, but he's like an annoying mosquito in your ear who won't go away. His damage sucks and he just stands there flailing his arms at you hoping to kill you. Your team *should* hopefully just turn around and kill him within a couple of seconds. Peni also destroys him because you can't fight with her mines, you instantly die. He's great for players who can't kill anyone besides 10hp healers trying to escape.

[Terotrous]

Originally posted by Vermilion Knight:

Iron fist is quite literally one of the worst picks in the game right now.

This is not true at all:

https://rivalsmeta.com/characters

He is top 5 at Diamond+ (top 3 at GM+) and many pros put him at S tier. Against almost all other characters, he has enough sustain that even if you hit every shot against him, he'll still win the fight.

Anyway, the only reliable counter I've found to him is Mr. Fantastic, whom he really can't ever win against 1v1. Granted, Mr. Fantastic is basically Iron Fist but even more broken.

[Ferrsai]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

Originally posted by Vermilion Knight:

Iron fist is quite literally one of the worst picks in the game right now.

This is not true at all:

https://rivalsmeta.com/characters

He is top 5 at Diamond+ (top 3 at GM+) and many pros put him at S tier. Against almost all other characters, he has enough sustain that even if you hit every shot against him, he'll still win the fight.

Anyway, the only reliable counter I've found to him is Mr. Fantastic, whom he really can't ever win against 1v1. Granted, Mr. Fantastic is basically Iron Fist but even more broken.

Even if his per hit damage is low, he attacks rapidly and displaces himself and his target. It makes it harder to hit him and harder to heal the teammate. The best answer to this is always for one or two people to assist real quick and resolve the problem in under 3 seconds flat and return to the objective at hand. There's no way around the power of teamwork in this genre. I wish people would get that through their heads, it's the most efficient way to get ♥♥♥♥ done.

[Eudicots]

The two best anti-dives are tied to team-ups. You have Namor with Hulk and Scarlet with Strange. Both of these combos can easily force someone off a dive as long as they stay with a healer.

[Toybox]

People often say to not shoot him when he's blocking because that's how he gets bonus health, but in the heat of combat there is absolutely no way to tell when he's blocking, there are no easy visual indicators when he's in this state, so it's a pure gamble.

[doofus0510]

Originally posted by Toybox:

People often say to not shoot him when he's blocking because that's how he gets bonus health, but in the heat of combat there is absolutely no way to tell when he's blocking, there are no easy visual indicators when he's in this state, so it's a pure gamble.

i think he gets like a green outline on him

[Xyxx]

Iron Fist should need to have both feet on the ground and not be able to self heal in the air. This would help temper Iron Fist.

[Deadman'shand]

Originally posted by Toybox:

People often say to not shoot him when he's blocking because that's how he gets bonus health, but in the heat of combat there is absolutely no way to tell when he's blocking, there are no easy visual indicators when he's in this state, so it's a pure gamble.

There is, when he starts blocking he starts making a "Ding" sound, but as you said, in the heat of battle, if you are fighting him, he can just start blocking instantly while you are mid attack and through not fault of your own, give him temp health. There honestly should be a grace period of at least two hits to his block before he starts getting the temp health.

[Psychoglot]

Originally posted by Vermilion Knight:

Iron fist is quite literally one of the worst picks in the game right now. Sure he can heal quite a lot, but he's like an annoying mosquito in your ear who won't go away. His damage sucks and he just stands there flailing his arms at you hoping to kill you. Your team *should* hopefully just turn around and kill him within a couple of seconds. Peni also destroys him because you can't fight with her mines, you instantly die. He's great for players who can't kill anyone besides 10hp healers trying to escape.

he does % health damage and has a rapid punch ability, come again?
also since when was killing supports a BAD thing???

[Pick up the Stolen Merchandise]

Originally posted by FRANKHOWITZER:

Had an issue with countering iron fist and no matter what i play he heals himself faster than i can deal damage, i tried more springing and flighty classes but he can basically fly due to his insane movement, and even when i get him to low health he just has a constant shield active and uses his super fast fists. He's honestly making match making unplayable for me atm, because there's literally nothing i can do.

The true counter to ironfist is grouping up as he can not really aim, and doing such spreads his damage out.

He can only kill someone who is out of place / not getting healed tbh. Yes, he wins almost every 1v1 besides maybe thor, mr fantastic, and groot. Also wanda is a fair chance of winning if you throw stun orb down and sit in it. He will get stunned and you will likely kill. Also sitting on a peni nest will likely get him killed as the spiderbots will just eat him alive.

Other than those, you can wait for him to go into fast punch mode and not shoot / damage him. He will only gain shield from dragon defense when you do.

[Statix]

everyone has to focus him and kill him before he kicks back to his backline.. his block will parry all damage and give him shield enough to fight 1 person max 2. if hes over committing he will die if 3 people target him

[Basarab Laiota]

dive has no counters

[doofus0510]

Originally posted by Basarab Laiota:

dive has no counters

just contest their "staging ground"(or in other words the space they made behind the enemy team that will always exist before they dive) as namor is considered a counter to dive because he can kick divers off the staging ground(which forces them to have to set-up again which could be just enough time to win the team fight) or outright kill them

[Null Winter]

Originally posted by Basarab Laiota:

dive has no counters

Namor turrets. Wanda's tracking beam. Cloak's tracking beam. Magik's big AOEs and ability to "momentum kill" a diver out of their movement abilities with her dash. Peni's mines and nest.

Of course, all but one of those require someone to actually turn around and help.

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@OP:

Have someone play as Peni; they should be on defense anyways, as she is an astounding choke/point hold tank. So long as she keeps a nest and mines up, then healers and DPS have a safe point to go to. For Iron Fist specifically, she can turn around and web him; his basic attack combo has him briefly float in place for part of it, rendering him a hilariously easy target.