I have a fix for Strategists that refuse to heal...

[XalonMG]

If you find yourself on a team where one of or the only Strategists outright refuses to heal, how about this:

If this happens, 3 other players have to select "replace" button or something. And then the player is kicked and immediately replaced with a bot Strategist. I know bots suck but I would rather have a bot on my team that is doing their job, rather than a player that is refusing to do theirs.

With bots already in the game, this can possibly be implemented. because teams are at the mercy of these selfish d-bags. If you have one not healing, you can swap to a Strat yourself, but then the team loses damage or mitigation. So you suffer regardless. At least with a bot, you can get SOME healing, which is better than none.

Strategists are being screwed over by others who choose the same role, and then don't help. So the other Strat is having to heal everyone on the team by themselves. And usually, the other team has 2 Strats with both healing.

[Toybox]

That is to say that it is still a support problem, but not a healing problem. It's that many support players don't know how to survive dive.

The issue is that many of the problem divers, like Spiderman and BP don't have solid counters in either the DPS or Tank roles. Namor sort of but not really. So it's not like the DPS or Tanks can even stop dive even if they wanted to. This falls on support to learn proper survival tactics alongside their other skills, and unfortunately most don't.

[zopf76 ☭]

Postat inițial de XalonMG:

If you find yourself on a team where one of or the only Strategists outright refuses to heal, how about this:

If this happens, 3 other players have to select "replace" button or something. And then the player is kicked and immediately replaced with a bot Strategist. I know bots suck but I would rather have a bot on my team that is doing their job, rather than a player that is refusing to do theirs.

With bots already in the game, this can possibly be implemented. because teams are at the mercy of these selfish d-bags. If you have one not healing, you can swap to a Strat yourself, but then the team loses damage or mitigation. So you suffer regardless. At least with a bot, you can get SOME healing, which is better than none.

Strategists are being screwed over by others who choose the same role, and then don't help. So the other Strat is having to heal everyone on the team by themselves. And usually, the other team has 2 Strats with both healing.

...or you implement a System, that prioritizes Skill over Engagement - then People would actually have to learn to play again, instead of being led with their zero Skill !!


Ultimately, this Cash cow-Cucumber is full of People with absolutely zero Skill...

[Shamalamadingdang]

Postat inițial de Toybox:

That is to say that it is still a support problem, but not a healing problem. It's that many support players don't know how to survive dive.

The issue is that many of the problem divers, like Spiderman and BP don't have solid counters in either the DPS or Tank roles. Namor sort of but not really. So it's not like the DPS or Tanks can even stop dive even if they wanted to. This falls on support to learn proper survival tactics alongside their other skills, and unfortunately most don't.

It's a mix. I was an Invis Woman main but I'm learning C&D. If I get jumped, I ping the diver. I then stand in my own healing bubble, switch to Cloak, blind them, and disappear. Most divers leave at this point. However, if one sticks around, they can still kill me after my cloaking wears off. So if the diver is truly committed to getting that kill, the best I can do is buy my DPS/tanks about 5-6 extra seconds to peel for me.

I 100% agree with you that this game has no true anti-dive characters and they need to fix that. I'm hoping Ultron fills that role. It would be glorious and I would main him instantly.

[Psychoglot]

Postat inițial de peep:

As a healer main this is just dumb. There's always one bad DPS blaming healers when the healer has done 10k healing in 5 mins or less.

I heal, seldom get healed by the other support. I'd rather have a bot than 95% of gm healers

[Toybox]

Postat inițial de Shamalamadingdang:

Postat inițial de Toybox:

That is to say that it is still a support problem, but not a healing problem. It's that many support players don't know how to survive dive.

The issue is that many of the problem divers, like Spiderman and BP don't have solid counters in either the DPS or Tank roles. Namor sort of but not really. So it's not like the DPS or Tanks can even stop dive even if they wanted to. This falls on support to learn proper survival tactics alongside their other skills, and unfortunately most don't.

It's a mix. I was an Invis Woman main but I'm learning C&D. If I get jumped, I ping the diver. I then stand in my own healing bubble, switch to Cloak, blind them, and disappear. Most divers leave at this point. However, if one sticks around, they can still kill me after my cloaking wears off. So if the diver is truly committed to getting that kill, the best I can do is buy my DPS/tanks about 5-6 extra seconds to peel for me.

I 100% agree with you that this game has no true anti-dive characters and they need to fix that. I'm hoping Ultron fills that role. It would be glorious and I would main him instantly.

This is a problem of not being aggressive enough. As C&D, you don't need to wait for them to leave. You have the tools to outright kill the diver.

[Nightsbane]

Postat inițial de XalonMG:

If you find yourself on a team where one of or the only Strategists outright refuses to heal, how about this:

If this happens, 3 other players have to select "replace" button or something. And then the player is kicked and immediately replaced with a bot Strategist. I know bots suck but I would rather have a bot on my team that is doing their job, rather than a player that is refusing to do theirs.

With bots already in the game, this can possibly be implemented. because teams are at the mercy of these selfish d-bags. If you have one not healing, you can swap to a Strat yourself, but then the team loses damage or mitigation. So you suffer regardless. At least with a bot, you can get SOME healing, which is better than none.

Strategists are being screwed over by others who choose the same role, and then don't help. So the other Strat is having to heal everyone on the team by themselves. And usually, the other team has 2 Strats with both healing.

This would get abused . How about just play the match and take the L

[mozzarxlla]

this never happens so its not a problem

[Toybox]

Postat inițial de Toybox:

This is a problem of not being aggressive enough. As C&D, you don't need to wait for them to leave. You have the tools to outright kill the diver.

To elaborate a bit on this, it's important to understand that many players who play dive characters don't actually know how to fight very well. They know how to STRIKE, and there is a huge difference. If you can mitigate and survive the initial strike, you generally have the upper hand because they rely on that quick kill for their own survivability. If they don't get it, you now have the advantage of sustainability, and you should press that advantage immediately and go on the offensive. If played properly, you will generally win that fight because they don't have the skills or resources for a prolonged engatement.

Do this enough times and most of them will swap off of dive because they know it won't work.

[Toybox]

Also, far too many of you never played a game like Unreal Tournament and it shows.

[Sonrangeri]

I have solution for bad dps too... replace them with bots. Better aim than most players anyway

[Carson.F]

Booting bad players sounds like the worst idea ive ever heard have you thought about this?

[Desync]

Then me and my 2 other buddies would just go around auto removing ppl.

[Basarab Laiota]

i cant heal you through walls bro

[Tracker]

Postat inițial de Basarab Laiota:

i cant heal you through walls bro

It's always the 0-7 Spiderman that is behind three buildings raging about heals.

[XalonMG]

A lot of great comments. Thanks for chiming in. Essentially, you should be able to kick a player off team with 5 others agreeing. No matter the role. I am focusing on Strategists because not having heals can change a game faster than having no vanguard or not enough dmg.

It sucks we even have to talk about this. If you pick Duelist, you main job is damage. If you pick Vanguard, your main job is mitigation/tanking, and if you pick Strategist, even if you can CC or do some great damage, your main job is to heal your teammates.

If everyone learns one of each role, then everyone is set. Hopefully they learn more. Or start with learning two. However you choose, it will help your team.