The Dive Meta Is Becoming Stronger, But Let's Nerf Adam And Loki. Huh?

[DorkSparce]

I don't get this nerf, as a support main it's infuriating having to deal with so much dive. Namor gets a massive team up buff which already doesn't help his ban rate. Mr. Fantastic and Wanda aren't picked as often who are good at countering dive heroes and just overall having to get matched with teams who forget to help their supports when we're constantly being dived from the likes of Captain, Black Panther, Spiderman, Psy and now the new triple tank meta with Emma, Hulk and Mag ( getting bumped 9 divs in comp is forcing me to deal with this new meta ).

Of all the dive heroes, captain america is quite possibly the worst one to deal with.

But let's nerf two healers instead, one of which has no form of escape or stun to try and deal with the dive.

[glaphen]

Publicado originalmente por Shamalamadingdang:

Publicado originalmente por glaphen:

Oh so there's multiple divers, so even easier to deal with, just have your team ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ play some of the many anti-dive characters that also exist and it's a free win if they aren't trash at those anti-dive characters, or play with even more strategists. Once again they do not need those resources because they are down a consistent DPS, this is the variable you are ignoring, I am not ignoring any of them, you are.

Yes it's easy to do his auto combo, what is not easy is everything else, a bad Spiderman has been a meme for months for a reason, it's only recently that people started complaining, because the Spiderman players have gotten better at the game after months of practice, while boosted strategist trash are still at the starting line having not learned a single damn thing.

OR and consider this...the ceiling of how good a support can be is much lower than the ceiling of how good a diver can be. There is no strategist equivalent of Necros. This isn't a function of anyone being boosted. This is a function of the kits the characters have. Right now, there aren't enough ways to mitigate this. That's my (and others) whole point. A Luna snowball is not good enough when it comes to dealing with Spidey, Panther, Magik, etc.

You act like supports can easily dominate DPS players like DPS players are the poor defenseless victims. Someone unfamiliar with the game would read your posts and think DPS players are getting bullied by the healers.

And having a Spidey on the team is not "being down a DPS." Spidey is so mobile that he can feed off health packs. He's still out there doing damage he's just not taking any healing resources. So having a Spidey just means you have a DPS on your team that you don't have to heal (which means more healing for everyone else). It's not a handicap, it's an advantage.

Strategist kits are so over stacked the skill ceiling is the highest in the game, it's just no one good wants to play their boring kit to that level. It absolutely is, you can instant kill them all with nothing they can do to counter play you and you think this isn't enough? Just the very act of using it and missing is enough to let you survive even?

No, just divers, ranged poke and flank is far better, which is why it's META and the only thing you'll ever see in tourneys. Bad boosted trash strategists are bullied by DPS, they have the tools to survive anything in this game with their raw skill to keep their team alive for long enough that they can win the fight if they out skill the enemy, just boosted trash are usually the ones dead first instead losing the fight immediately.

What in the ♥♥♥♥ is your point about healing resources? He's not taking them but he is also not taking damage resources from your team either? Damage is limited the same as healing, lmao at this point of yours, they are down a DPS so their damage is actually more limited, if the DPS is hitting another DPS and you need to heal, so what, that is the same damage it would have gone into the tank anyway, unless the tank had damage reduction effects active at that time, but no one has permanent damage reduction, the damage is going somewhere or it's missing entirely, Spiderman's damage is only active less than a TENTH of the time and lower than any ranged during that time.

[Shamalamadingdang]

Publicado originalmente por glaphen:

Strategist kits are so over stacked the skill ceiling is the highest in the game, it's just no one good wants to play their boring kit to that level. It absolutely is, you can instant kill them all with nothing they can do to counter play you and you think this isn't enough? Just the very act of using it and missing is enough to let you survive even?

No, just divers, ranged poke and flank is far better, which is why it's META and the only thing you'll ever see in tourneys. Bad boosted trash strategists are bullied by DPS, they have the tools to survive anything in this game with their raw skill to keep their team alive for long enough that they can win the fight if they out skill the enemy, just boosted trash are usually the ones dead first instead losing the fight immediately.

What in the ♥♥♥♥ is your point about healing resources? He's not taking them but he is also not taking damage resources from your team either? Damage is limited the same as healing, lmao at this point of yours, they are down a DPS so their damage is actually more limited, if the DPS is hitting another DPS and you need to heal, so what, that is the same damage it would have gone into the tank anyway, unless the tank had damage reduction effects active at that time, but no one has permanent damage reduction, the damage is going somewhere or it's missing entirely, Spiderman's damage is only active less than a TENTH of the time and lower than any ranged during that time.

This is why supports mains (like me) hate trying to argue with DPS mains (obviously you). you actually don't understand what happens in the game because you don't have to. Meanwhile, we do.

For example, Squirrel Girl will do the most damage of any DPS almost 100% of the time. BUT, every strategist know that SG is just feeding support ult charge because we get to heal the damage she's doing. Spiderman does very quick burst damage directly to the healers. That's the difference. If you damage anyone else but leave the healers alive, it doesn't matter. I get to heal my team and get ult faster.

In other words, Spidey will do less damage, but he'll have more final hits and actually be more effective because his damage MATTERS (because it's being done to the healers which kicks the foundation out from under the team). The fact that you don't understand this kind of stuff tells me everything I need to know about your perspective (it should be disregarded)

You literally are the meme of the DPS player who screams at supports every game, aren't you?

[glaphen]

Publicado originalmente por Shamalamadingdang:

Publicado originalmente por glaphen:

Strategist kits are so over stacked the skill ceiling is the highest in the game, it's just no one good wants to play their boring kit to that level. It absolutely is, you can instant kill them all with nothing they can do to counter play you and you think this isn't enough? Just the very act of using it and missing is enough to let you survive even?

No, just divers, ranged poke and flank is far better, which is why it's META and the only thing you'll ever see in tourneys. Bad boosted trash strategists are bullied by DPS, they have the tools to survive anything in this game with their raw skill to keep their team alive for long enough that they can win the fight if they out skill the enemy, just boosted trash are usually the ones dead first instead losing the fight immediately.

What in the ♥♥♥♥ is your point about healing resources? He's not taking them but he is also not taking damage resources from your team either? Damage is limited the same as healing, lmao at this point of yours, they are down a DPS so their damage is actually more limited, if the DPS is hitting another DPS and you need to heal, so what, that is the same damage it would have gone into the tank anyway, unless the tank had damage reduction effects active at that time, but no one has permanent damage reduction, the damage is going somewhere or it's missing entirely, Spiderman's damage is only active less than a TENTH of the time and lower than any ranged during that time.

This is why supports mains (like me) hate trying to argue with DPS mains (obviously you). you actually don't understand what happens in the game because you don't have to. Meanwhile, we do.

For example, Squirrel Girl will do the most damage of any DPS almost 100% of the time. BUT, every strategist know that SG is just feeding support ult charge because we get to heal the damage she's doing. Spiderman does very quick burst damage directly to the healers. That's the difference. If you damage anyone else but leave the healers alive, it doesn't matter. I get to heal my team and get ult faster.

In other words, Spidey will do less damage, but he'll have more final hits and actually be more effective because his damage MATTERS (because it's being done to the healers which kicks the foundation out from under the team). The fact that you don't understand this kind of stuff tells me everything I need to know about your perspective (it should be disregarded)

You literally are the meme of the DPS player who screams at supports every game, aren't you?

No I really like arguing with you boosted strategist mains, you have the most easy to disprove "arguments".

??? Squirrel Girl does 165 DPS, that is the lowest of all the DPS, what are you talking about, even in an AoE 6 stack scenario she isn't the best damage dealer. Yeah you can get more ultimates against a bad team missing 90% of their shots against a tank, a good team will melt the tank faster than you can heal, like no combination of 2 healers can out heal a Bucky head shotting a tank on his own, and there's 5 other people who can damage the tank at the same time, so you aren't getting that ultimate charge like that anyway except terrible players.

But he will have 0 final hits because he cannot kill anything if the strategists aren't terrible at the game, what part of every single strategist easily counters him in a 1 vs 1 do you not understand, if they get the slightest healing he does not function. You clearly don't understand a lot of thing, I've seen your perspective many times, you are just one of the many many boosted strategists posting here.

I never say a word most of the time, the only time I really complain is when I get 0 heals in a 3 strategist comp and they keep dying still, 3 boosted strategists is really just too much to handle. Really funny because boosted strategists are the most vocal by far at complaining about their team, then you look at their profile and these trash have a insanely negative win rate on every role.

[Shamalamadingdang]

Publicado originalmente por glaphen:

No I really like arguing with you boosted strategist mains, you have the most easy to disprove "arguments".

??? Squirrel Girl does 165 DPS, that is the lowest of all the DPS, what are you talking about, even in an AoE 6 stack scenario she isn't the best damage dealer. Yeah you can get more ultimates against a bad team missing 90% of their shots against a tank, a good team will melt the tank faster than you can heal, like no combination of 2 healers can out heal a Bucky head shotting a tank on his own, and there's 5 other people who can damage the tank at the same time, so you aren't getting that ultimate charge like that anyway except terrible players.

But he will have 0 final hits because he cannot kill anything if the strategists aren't terrible at the game, what part of every single strategist easily counters him in a 1 vs 1 do you not understand, if they get the slightest healing he does not function. You clearly don't understand a lot of thing, I've seen your perspective many times, you are just one of the many many boosted strategists posting here.

I never say a word most of the time, the only time I really complain is when I get 0 heals in a 3 strategist comp and they keep dying still, 3 boosted strategists is really just too much to handle. Really funny because boosted strategists are the most vocal by far at complaining about their team, then you look at their profile and these trash have a insanely negative win rate on every role.

See. You've never looked at anyone else's stats after a game. SG ALWAYS has the most damage on the team. A SG with only like 30% accuracy will out damage everyone else on your team because each acorn does 165 DPS and she's launching them nonstop.

You know what you've revealed in your ranting? That not only are you a Spiderman main, you're a BAD ONE. No good Spiderman main would ever come in here and complain about how strong the healers are. A good Spiderman eats healers effortlessly. There are no celestial Spiderman players whining like this. That tells me you routinely lose 1 v 1's against Jeff the Shark and Luna Snow so in your mind the healers are too strong.

[glaphen]

Publicado originalmente por Shamalamadingdang:

Publicado originalmente por glaphen:

No I really like arguing with you boosted strategist mains, you have the most easy to disprove "arguments".

??? Squirrel Girl does 165 DPS, that is the lowest of all the DPS, what are you talking about, even in an AoE 6 stack scenario she isn't the best damage dealer. Yeah you can get more ultimates against a bad team missing 90% of their shots against a tank, a good team will melt the tank faster than you can heal, like no combination of 2 healers can out heal a Bucky head shotting a tank on his own, and there's 5 other people who can damage the tank at the same time, so you aren't getting that ultimate charge like that anyway except terrible players.

But he will have 0 final hits because he cannot kill anything if the strategists aren't terrible at the game, what part of every single strategist easily counters him in a 1 vs 1 do you not understand, if they get the slightest healing he does not function. You clearly don't understand a lot of thing, I've seen your perspective many times, you are just one of the many many boosted strategists posting here.

I never say a word most of the time, the only time I really complain is when I get 0 heals in a 3 strategist comp and they keep dying still, 3 boosted strategists is really just too much to handle. Really funny because boosted strategists are the most vocal by far at complaining about their team, then you look at their profile and these trash have a insanely negative win rate on every role.

See. You've never looked at anyone else's stats after a game. SG ALWAYS has the most damage on the team. A SG with only like 30% accuracy will out damage everyone else on your team because each acorn does 165 DPS and she's launching them nonstop.

You know what you've revealed in your ranting? That not only are you a Spiderman main, you're a BAD ONE. No good Spiderman main would ever come in here and complain about how strong the healers are. A good Spiderman eats healers effortlessly. There are no celestial Spiderman players whining like this. That tells me you routinely lose 1 v 1's against Jeff the Shark and Luna Snow so in your mind the healers are too strong.

https://rivalstracker.com/heroes/stats
Top average isn't even her, yeah you can do high damage stat on her, but you could do more on other characters, her raw DPS is low, each acorn does 110 reduced by fall off up to 70% by fall off.

Lmao I have never even played Spiderman, they do not eat them at all, like check out this video today, it's a month and a half old even match, surely these people have gotten better at making Spiderman even more useless while Spiderman can't improve much more than this at killing the enemy, and this is one of his better games, almost like even at best they aren't very good of a character. Notice he can barely ever even kill a strategist all match long, he was mainly going for DPS, because they can't defend themselves like strategists can, strategists obviously can react to stop him the majority of the time going for them, and can still react to save their DPS, almost every kill was from ultimates on strategists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eblycgYlvBU

[CLUTCH]

Kids learning about a dive meta in Marvel. I guess season 3 GOATS already.

[NeonSaltRocket]

Publicado originalmente por CLUTCH:

Kids learning about a dive meta in Marvel. I guess season 3 GOATS already.

It's almost like looking into a mirror. "Supports shouldn't be able to win a DPS match with DPS!" While saying "Supports should be able to deal with dive, they shouldn't need help from the team"

Then Bridgette came. Lessons were not learned that day. I look forward to watching what happens.

[CLUTCH]

Publicado originalmente por NeonSaltRocket:

Publicado originalmente por CLUTCH:

Kids learning about a dive meta in Marvel. I guess season 3 GOATS already.

It's almost like looking into a mirror. "Supports shouldn't be able to win a DPS match with DPS!" While saying "Supports should be able to deal with dive, they shouldn't need help from the team"

Then Bridgette came. Lessons were not learned that day. I look forward to watching what happens.

I've seen so many complaints since day 1 that were the exact same thing in Overwatch.

Too funny.

[DorkSparce]

Publicado originalmente por CLUTCH:

Kids learning about a dive meta in Marvel. I guess season 3 GOATS already.

Not until support kept getting hit with nerfs.

[Wesley Sniper]

As a strategist main all i have to say is, Spiderman is the most garbage hero in the game that doesn't do anything if both strategists just know how to play... Dive is really good i guess on bronze or silver, but as you get higher people just know that they dont deal much dmg and you can basically press on and get their strategists...That is unless you play against literal pros that work together on a regular basis.

[doofus0510]

Publicado originalmente por Wesley Sniper:

As a strategist main all i have to say is, Spiderman is the most garbage hero in the game that doesn't do anything if both strategists just know how to play... Dive is really good i guess on bronze or silver, but as you get higher people just know that they dont deal much dmg and you can basically press on and get their strategists.

he actually made it to A tier in season 2(so he's a decent hero atleast but honestly ironfist might be better)