The real problem with Spider-Man a short explanation

[WarGreymon]

Spider-Man is one of the most powerful characters in the game and in this thread I will explain why he has to be toned down / nerfed for the good of the game. His is among the most picked characters across the board and people ban him over the Winder Soldier. To be clear I don't want the character to be useless I want him to be inline with the rest of the roster.

1. Mobility - Spider-Man is the most mobile character in the game. This allows him to engage and disengage with lighting fast speed and he move across vast distances in seconds. He is so fast that the Scarlet Witch's auto lock can't grab him.

On a side note he can stay in the air practically all the time. I was messing around in the training room with the swing and using just the swing, uppercut and double hump (the double jump resets after you use a skill) I was able to stay in the air for over a minute and thirty second before I messed up and hit a wall because I was watching the coldowns not the map (I don't play Spider-Man so I don't have an instinctive feel for his cooldown timers). If I can do that on my first try of seeing how long I can stay in the air without touching the ground I am pretty sure an experienced Spider-Man can stay in the air pretty much indefinitely. Yes this a controlled environment but the point is that he can do that just with three of his skills.

2. His kit. Overall Spider-Man's kit has insane synergy. Pretty much all of his skills work off each other and he is capable of ridiculous combination that are not limited to his attacks.

He can do all of this and more:

- He can move across a full map in seconds. His mobility is ridiculous.
- He can double jump.
- He has a damage self-buff.
- He has a pull. As a bonus that pull can throw you off the map.
- The pull can be used as a zip for even more mobility.
- He can shutdown ultimate moves.
- He can wall crawl and run.
- He has a sense that alerts him if someone is close.
- He has a ranged attack.
- He has a relatively easy one-hit combo.
- He has an uppercut that throws enemies in the air and is a soft crowd control.
- His skills have multiple charges. The ranged shots have 5 the uppercut has 2 and so on.
- His ultimate is an area of effect damage with slow and he gets bonus health during the ult.
- His ultimate can stun.
- His melee hit box is quite forgiving.
- His own hit box is not that large making him harder to hit.
- He can engage and disengage very easily allowing him to succeed or simply run away to reset with pretty low risk.
- Because of his very over-tuned kit his counters are not very effective.

I can keep going but this list should be enough to make a point. No other character in the game has a kit that is this decked out. It's just too much.

3. Combat. Spider-Man's cooldowns are very short and his skills have multiple charges. Combined with his mobility this allows him to go in and out fast, deal massive damage, and reset. Even if he fails he has an out and he can just wait a few seconds to go in again. He has a one-shot combo. His spider tracers are very easy to apply, his damage is buffed and he has built in soft crowd control in his skills. He can pull the target to him or zip himself to it. When he zips to the target he lifts it in the air. He can pull people off the map. His ranged attack has five charges on a short cooldown. His uppercut is an area of effect with two charges a short cooldown and it lifts the target in the air. Spider-Man can uppercut people when his back is turned on them. His ultimate gives him two hundred fifty extra health and it's an area of effect with slow and stun. He can shutdown ults. Overall again his kit has insane synergy. And that's without the Venom team-up.

4. Counters. Because his kit is so overtuned Spider-Man's counter are not very effective. And no a tank that Spider-Man can just ignore or drag of the map is not a counter. Namor is considered the most effective but his cooldowns are too long and Spider-Man can just bait out the shield and the squids, disengage and go in again after a few seconds.

5. Fun. I will be blunt. Fun is subjective. However this is not a single player game. As such if one person's fun is ruining the fun of at least six people we have a problem. That's why specific behaviors are not allowed in these games. Griefing is fun for the person doing it but it's not for the person on the receiving end.

6. Spider-Man is built like a character for a single player. Everything about him is made the player can go in and effectively be Spider-Man. That's great however not when it's at the cost of multiple other players.

7. Final thought. Overall the problem is not that Spider-Man can do these things. The real problem is that he can do ALL of them. He is built so well and his kit has such good synergy that it's just too strong. Spider-Man defenders can ignore all of this but in the end it changes nothing. Spider-Man is just too good as a character.

Feel free to have at it in the comments. I am out. At this point it's clear that a productive discussion on this topic is not possible. See you all at the party when the inevitable nerfbat hits Spider-Man in the face.

[Steve]

This post lied to me. I was told it would be a short explanation.

[Deadman'shand]

Originally posted by Steve:

This post lied to me. I was told it would be a short explanation.

https://youtu.be/dpPQE56Zezk?t=6

[WarGreymon]

Originally posted by Steve:

This post lied to me. I was told it would be a short explanation.

That is the short explanation.

[Steve]

Originally posted by WarGreymon:

Originally posted by Steve:

This post lied to me. I was told it would be a short explanation.

That is the short explanation.

Dear God, man. Brevity is wit!

[WarGreymon]

Originally posted by Steve:

Originally posted by WarGreymon:

That is the short explanation.

Dear God, man. Brevity is wit!

Given the average level of wit in this playground do you think loosely quoting Shakespeare will get the message across?

[Basarab Laiota]

Originally posted by WarGreymon:

do you think loosely quoting Shakespeare will get the massage across?

i could use a massage right now

[WarGreymon]

We all can.

[doofus0510]

that's a lot of words too bad it's literally the same thing you've been saying for like 2 weeks now, but i'm not here to defend spiderman i'm just here to ask, who do you main?

[WarGreymon]

Originally posted by doofus0510:

that's a lot of words too bad it's literally the same thing you've been saying for like 2 weeks now, but i'm not here to defend spiderman i'm just here to ask, who do you main?

It's a lot of words that are correct. And I am far from the only one saying them. You on the other hand are in every thread defending Spider-Man and making excuse after excuse. As soon as you are challenged you shift the conversation, ignore it or make up new excuses. It's irrelevant who I play. It could be any character. And it has zero effect on the fact that Spider-Man is a problem for this game that has to be solved.

[Spooki Spoopi]

Originally posted by doofus0510:

that's a lot of words too bad it's literally the same thing you've been saying for like 2 weeks now, but i'm not here to defend spiderman i'm just here to ask, who do you main?

Still doesnt change the fact that spiderman is overtuned.

[Spooki Spoopi]

Originally posted by WarGreymon:

Originally posted by doofus0510:

that's a lot of words too bad it's literally the same thing you've been saying for like 2 weeks now, but i'm not here to defend spiderman i'm just here to ask, who do you main?

It's a lot of words that are correct. And I am far from the only one saying them. You on the other hand are in every thread defending Spider-Man and making excuse after excuse. As soon as you are challenged you shift the conversation, ignore it or make up new excuses. It's irrelevant who I play. It could be any character. And it has zero effect on the fact that Spider-Man is a problem for this game that has to be solved.

Absolutely, they immediately try to switch the focus when you ask them too.

[Rave Pathfinder.]

Short answer to all complaints.
Get rid of animation cancel -kills his speed (Since its bug that should of been fixed yet not)

[Sonrangeri]

I've seen spiderman being banned almost every game in my ranked matches. Especially if Namor gets banned, you can't let spiderman stay free for picking if your team doesn't intend to play him.

[Entropic Mushroom]

Surely this guys is RP'ing as the Editor of the Daily Bugle.

[WarGreymon]

Originally posted by Entropic Mushroom:

Surely this guys is RP'ing as the Editor of the Daily Bugle.

I WANT SPIDER-MAN TO ANSWER FOR HIS CRIMES!!! PARKEEEEER!!! Where is that kid we need photos for the next issue! How's about this Spider-Man wall-hacking menace!

Jokes aside. If you want to counter my points you are free to do so.