Design of Emma Frost...

[Aliner]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3458356206

So here I am with a compilation of Emma`s designs. And you know what? Yes her clothes may be revealing (which isn`t all the time as you can see) and her bodyshape may be too attractive (which is not always too) but its nothing compared to what MR designers done. They literally made her more like bimbo with that unproportional body and massive thighs instead of fragile and elegant lady .
In this compilation you can clearly see that we almost never saw such a huge bodyshape of Emma Frost. Theremore, as a tank she doesnt need to be massive and bulky by herself, just look at her outfits with a wide coats, capes etc.
MR designers literally oversexualised character in the wrong way. Emma is a hot woman in many of her appearances, no doubt, but she also must look elegant in the same time. Thats the main thing of this character: she looks fragile and even weak while she isn`t at all because of her diamond powers.

But ofc what we gained is another gooner bait design. And whats more funny? That gooners always saying about "bUt its cOmIc bOOk aCCuRate" or "Emma`s main thing just to stay sexy character" and looks like they dont even know anything about comic books or her character.

Edited: LOL and now she has a conversation with Captain America about how it`s hard to being attractive woman:
- M-m-mh, I do love a man in uniform.
- I... Feel a little uncomfortable with the way you`re looking at me, ma`am.
- Welcome to every day of my life. You`ll get used to it.
- Honestly, I`m not so sure about that.

Like, really? And now she has a problems with it? Who`s gonna believe this while she`s looking like this and wearing such a revealing clothes? Or where those guys who`s saying "she`s mind controling so attraction is her weapon" which is a non-sense by itself but now that take is even bigger non-sense.
And if she`s kinda super-attractive comparing to other women in MR then whats the difference between her and them? I mean all of them are supermodels but only Emma mentioned to be unusually charming. We cant even see a contrast, so why should I believe in her exceptional beauty?

[Aliner]

Publicado originalmente por Don:

Publicado originalmente por Aliner:

" how unrealistic the proportions of characters like Venom..."
And then I dont even read it because, you know, Venom is an alien goo on a human body while Emma Frost is a human. Yeah she is a mutant too but I dont heard about spine and thighs mutation in her origins

And that's exactly when I realize you've either never engaged in the comic book community before this, or you choose to cherry pick what you see.

When Venom came out as a character, only up until Ultimate Spider-Man was he an alien goo that would completely shift the proportions of a character drastically. Before that it was Eddie Brock's physique that would give the character it's shape. I like how you specifically cherry picked Venom though and then proceeded to ignore both Captain America and Thor, you're not here for an actual discussion you just want other to agree with what you say.

Mutants are not humans and Emma Frost isn't the exception.

You're saying proportions are unrealistic when we're talking about fictional characters. Be so fr.

Yes I can say about proportions when we`re talking about fictional characters. Many of them have it too.
And even if we talking about Thor or Captain: semigod from realm where exists ice giants and dwarfs and a supersoldier.
Also Venom`s (or Eddie`s) first appearance in comic books was kind of weird overmuscular man, so in Ultimate comics they fixed that giving reason for that bodyshape to symbiote. So yeah, its a good solution and almost every Marvel comic book/cartoon uses it for now, so Eddie Brock being pile of muscles is an old and odd. Cant see a reason why we ever need to discuss his first appearance while that conception was forgotten a long time ago.

[Aliner]

Publicado originalmente por Rune:

My personal favorite is when they say the magical superhero can't tank because they're not wearing enough clothes.

If this game was realistic, there would be no superheroes, and no women in combat.

Magical superhero lol, her powers source is a special genome which is gives her two abilities: transform into diamond and control people`s mind. And while every single tank (except Strange maybe) has some kind of armor or naturally enhanced body she has nothing while in human form. Because her diamond form is just a skill for short period of time. So yeah, wearing more clothes which is turned into a diamond at least will give her appearance more sense then just massive thighs.
People in here seeing weird things about gamedesign from start of the game, making memes about how perfect human (Adam Warlock) has less hp then k-pop star (Luna Snow), but looks like nobody gonna see that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with a normal human women being tanky just because every single gooner decided to call it ABSOLUTE GAMEDESIGN

[Rune]

That's still fairy dust magic, not science, and makes zero sense. You can't transform atoms or molecules from one element to another instantly via genetic engineering.

If you want realism, you shouldn't be playing superhero games. Let alone games with women in combat.

[Aliner]

Publicado originalmente por Rune:

That's still fairy dust magic, not science, and makes zero sense. You can't transform atoms or molecules from one element to another instantly via genetic engineering.

If you want realism, you shouldn't be playing superhero games. Let alone games with women in combat.

Man, even fictional universes must remain to some sort of logic instead of making mumbo-jumbo excuses for every plot hole or something like that. Emma Frost is a mutated, but human, which is simply enough for her to be dead if she wont use her powers.
"Fictional" doesnt meant to be "stupid".

[Rune]

Internal consistency, sure. But that's why I'm saying Emma Frost makes as much sense as anything else in that universe.

[Aliner]

Publicado originalmente por Rune:

Internal consistency, sure. But that's why I'm saying Emma Frost makes as much sense as anything else in that universe.

Well, even her origin story reveals her secondary mutation awakening as a result of deadly circumstances. It proves that without her powers she will be dead very soon, it`s in her origin (and it was shown in X-Men `97 too btw). Theremore, in this (Marvel Rivals) universe every single tank has a some reason (armor or biology like i said before) to be durable while Emma isnt. Her durability doesnt make any sense even comparing to other tanks.

[Rafein]

I mean, they had to make her bigger, and she is a Vanguard, and Vanguards have a larger hitbox, or else how can they tank damage for their team. So they kinda throew it into her hips and thighs.

[DerpyPannycake]

its a game get over it already

[Don]

Publicado originalmente por Aliner:

Publicado originalmente por Don:

Yes I can say about proportions when we`re talking about fictional characters. Many of them have it too.
And even if we talking about Thor or Captain: semigod from realm where exists ice giants and dwarfs and a supersoldier.
Also Venom`s (or Eddie`s) first appearance in comic books was kind of weird overmuscular man, so in Ultimate comics they fixed that giving reason for that bodyshape to symbiote. So yeah, its a good solution and almost every Marvel comic book/cartoon uses it for now, so Eddie Brock being pile of muscles is an old and odd. Cant see a reason why we ever need to discuss his first appearance while that conception was forgotten a long time ago.

Eddie Brock is still characterized as a human who's muscular because he works out, take the physiques of bodybuilders from the 80s, 90s, or you can even try right now. Eddie Brock looks no different from them, in fact he's 6'3, that's not the average height for a male but does that make all of those who are one in real life non existent? No.

The characters that have realistic proportions in Marvel or comics as a whole, are the characters that are completely human. You're trying to twist the argument and say that Emma Frost is a human, as if she's not a mutant. You'll even go on to say "It's never stated that her mutant powers changed her physique" So? This is still a character that is not only fictional but is also not human.

The same way you'll say many characters in fiction have realistic proportions, is the same way you can also look at other fictional characters and see the opposite. This isn't a one or the other kind of deal. Stop trying to make it seem like it is.

[Aliner]

Publicado originalmente por Don:

Publicado originalmente por Aliner:

Yes I can say about proportions when we`re talking about fictional characters. Many of them have it too.
And even if we talking about Thor or Captain: semigod from realm where exists ice giants and dwarfs and a supersoldier.
Also Venom`s (or Eddie`s) first appearance in comic books was kind of weird overmuscular man, so in Ultimate comics they fixed that giving reason for that bodyshape to symbiote. So yeah, its a good solution and almost every Marvel comic book/cartoon uses it for now, so Eddie Brock being pile of muscles is an old and odd. Cant see a reason why we ever need to discuss his first appearance while that conception was forgotten a long time ago.

Eddie Brock is still characterized as a human who's muscular because he works out, take the physiques of bodybuilders from the 80s, 90s, or you can even try right now. Eddie Brock looks no different from them, in fact he's 6'3, that's not the average height for a male but does that make all of those who are one in real life non existent? No.

The characters that have realistic proportions in Marvel or comics as a whole, are the characters that are completely human. You're trying to twist the argument and say that Emma Frost is a human, as if she's not a mutant. You'll even go on to say "It's never stated that her mutant powers changed her physique" So? This is still a character that is not only fictional but is also not human.

The same way you'll say many characters in fiction have realistic proportions, is the same way you can also look at other fictional characters and see the opposite. This isn't a one or the other kind of deal. Stop trying to make it seem like it is.

"Emma Frost isnt human so we want her to have mommy thighs that we wanna goon"
- Don from MR Steam community

Seriously, Emma Frost just not human technically. In fact, every mutant in X-Men lore was a human once, at least before they started to mutate, and curing that only X-genome means reverting them to their human form. And not every mutation looks weird or even seen on body. Even more, in comics every single female mutant has a normal body, and even Emma on those examples has it too. Your exuses to MR design very simillar to anime ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like "yes she is a loli but biologically she`s a 1000000 y.o. so its totally legal".
Stop doing ♥♥♥♥ that doesnt even make any sense. Mutants are humans too, they based on a human biology, many of them have no visual difference from any random human person and YOU know it.

[Don]

Publicado originalmente por Aliner:

Publicado originalmente por Don:

"Emma Frost isnt human so we want her to have mommy thighs that we wanna goon"
- Don from MR Steam community

Seriously, Emma Frost just not human technically. In fact, every mutant in X-Men lore was a human once, at least before they started to mutate, and curing that only X-genome means reverting them to their human form. And not every mutation looks weird or even seen on body. Even more, in comics every single female mutant has a normal body, and even Emma on those examples has it too. Your exuses to MR design very simillar to anime ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like "yes she is a loli but biologically she`s a 1000000 y.o. so its totally legal".
Stop doing ♥♥♥♥ that doesnt even make any sense. Mutants are humans too, they based on a human biology, many of them have no visual difference from any random human person and YOU know it.

The projection and effort you take to twisting my words and adding onto some I've never uttered is incredible. I'm impressed you have the synapses to type out full sentences, sure they're full of typos half the time but at least there's one tool sharp in that shed.

"Mutants are humans too"

Yeah tell that to Jean Grey, Wolverine, Colossus, Beast, Nightcrawler, Juggernaut, list goes on.

[Aliner]

Publicado originalmente por Don:

Publicado originalmente por Aliner:

The projection and effort you take to twisting my words and adding onto some I've never uttered is incredible. I'm impressed you have the synapses to type out full sentences, sure they're full of typos half the time but at least there's one tool sharp in that shed.

Ofc you cant say which words of yours were twisted but can mark my typos. Now we`re talking like MR core audience

[dag]

Actually your bait did better than mine. I guess that’s what happened when you actually care about what your post says. I didn’t.

[Don]

Publicado originalmente por Aliner:

Publicado originalmente por Don:

Ofc you cant say which words of yours were twisted but can mark my typos. Now we`re talking like MR core audience

Bro out of nowhere you said

Your exuses to MR design very simillar to anime ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like "yes she is a loli but biologically she`s a 1000000 y.o. so its totally legal".
Stop doing ♥♥♥♥ that doesnt even make any sense. Mutants are humans too, they based on a human biology, many of them have no visual difference from any random human person and YOU know it.

In my own discussions you're going on to say

what that means? What your calculations is proving? Fictional = any sick ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Superheroes = any sick ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Or fictional/superhero = pervy and vulgar and adults only?

Mind you this is me mentioning that you play Arkham Batman, a game where one of the characters is female and wears nothing but a jacket.

I'll never understand you type of people, it's like watching a new species gain sentience.

[GrizzlesWelfareBear]

Publicado originalmente por Aliner:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3458356206

So here I am with a compilation of Emma`s designs. And you know what? Yes her clothes may be revealing (which isn`t all the time as you can see) and her bodyshape may be too attractive (which is not always too) but its nothing compared to what MR designers done. They literally made her more like bimbo with that unproportional body and massive thighs instead of fragile and elegant lady .
In this compilation you can clearly see that we almost never saw such a huge bodyshape of Emma Frost. Theremore, as a tank she doesnt need to be massive and bulky by herself, just look at her outfits with a wide coats, capes etc.
MR designers literally oversexualised character in the wrong way. Emma is a hot woman in many of her appearances, no doubt, but she also must look elegant in the same time. Thats the main thing of this character: she looks fragile and even weak while she isn`t at all because of her diamond powers.

But ofc what we gained is another gooner bait design. And whats more funny? That gooners always saying about "bUt its cOmIc bOOk aCCuRate" or "Emma`s main thing just to stay sexy character" and looks like they dont even know anything about comic books or her character.

You have no life