Those balance changes are awful.

[Mitrovarr]

Several strategists gutted for no reason (like, why Mantis? Why Rocket?)

No nerfs to Spider-Man

Nuking the tanks people actually want to use.

[Bind0fGod]

Originally posted by NeonSaltRocket:

Originally posted by Terotrous:

My bad, but nevertheless you still have unlimited wall climb and you shouldn't really need to be jet dashing THAT often anyway (even pre-nerf you don't want to burn it needlessly lest you not have it when you need it).

Bigger question is why? Why nerf it in the first place. Obviously jet dashing was enough of an impact to warrant a large nerf. Who was complaining about jet dash?

Duelist dive mains.

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by Bind0fGod:

Originally posted by NeonSaltRocket:

Bigger question is why? Why nerf it in the first place. Obviously jet dashing was enough of an impact to warrant a large nerf. Who was complaining about jet dash?

Duelist dive mains.

yep this entire patch is to buff the already un-counterable dive

i can see this game going the way of Overwatch

unless you play Genji, Tracer, Widowmaker or Hanzo... you're not allowed fun

except its Spider man, Psylock, Black widow, and Hawkeye

[DimSumHouse]

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

Several strategists gutted for no reason (like, why Mantis? Why Rocket?)

No nerfs to Spider-Man

Nuking the tanks people actually want to use.

You're bronze, right?

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by DimSumHouse:

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

Several strategists gutted for no reason (like, why Mantis? Why Rocket?)

No nerfs to Spider-Man

Nuking the tanks people actually want to use.

You're bronze, right?

im gold, and spider man can't be countered there either, so take your elitism and go home

[Terotrous]

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

also no... its gonna be venom and thor

Venom is a character I'm basically never scared of. He's basically just a giant meatshield and the freest target in the game for CC's since he's so huge. I honestly have no idea why anyone ever plays him without Spiderman (and we all know Spiderman is getting banned 100% from Gold onwards now).

Thor I'm somewhat more scared of, especially with him having more health. I do expect to see more Thor. That said, he doesn't appreciate fighting Peni all that much, especially as he is also a CC magnet and Peni's damage output was basically doubled since she can now headshot.

Originally posted by NeonSaltRocket:

Bigger question is why? Why nerf it in the first place. Obviously jet dashing was enough of an impact to warrant a large nerf. Who was complaining about jet dash?

It's because he got massive buffs to the rest of his kit, while already being a very high win-rate character. You can't only buff a character who is already high / top tier.

[Musoko]

Nerfed Cap, Buffed Thor, BUFFED HELA

actual joke, gg

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

also no... its gonna be venom and thor

Venom is a character I'm basically never scared of. He's basically just a giant meatshield and the freest target in the game for CC's since he's so huge. I honestly have no idea why anyone ever plays him without Spiderman (and we all know Spiderman is getting banned 100% from Gold onwards now).

Thor I'm somewhat more scared of, especially with him having more health. I do expect to see more Thor. That said, he doesn't appreciate fighting Peni all that much, especially as he is also a CC magnet and Peni's damage output was basically doubled since she can now headshot.

Originally posted by NeonSaltRocket:

Bigger question is why? Why nerf it in the first place. Obviously jet dashing was enough of an impact to warrant a large nerf. Who was complaining about jet dash?

It's because he got massive buffs to the rest of his kit, while already being a very high win-rate character. You can't only buff a character who is already high / top tier.

his health doesn't matter with CC he just pops his free half a health bar and dives out

also what CC? there isn't going to be any CC if you play a CC character you will be dead from the spiderman and psylock

[Bind0fGod]

Originally posted by Musoko:

Nerfed Cap, Buffed Thor, BUFFED HELA

actual joke, gg

I was really hoping for a cap buff, Most tier lists put him near the bottom but I just love playing him in Diamond.

Big RIP.

[peep]

People complain about infinite healing teams and now some healers are getting nerfed people complain, endless complaining lmao

[Terotrous]

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

his health doesn't matter with CC he just pops his free half a health bar and dives out

Sure, but he doesn't really accomplish anything other than eating a ton of damage for a few seconds. I honestly can't even remember the last time a Venom killed me on any character.

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

also what CC? there isn't going to be any CC if you play a CC character you will be dead from the spiderman and psylock

This becomes less true once you learn to heal whomever is being dived. I probably die to spiderman combo maybe 10% of the time, the other 90% of the time I get healed. I also pretty much always save people from it when I'm on healer.

A very well-timed double dive maybe, but those are very rare outside of extremely high ranks. Even in QP games against GM / Celestial players I virtually never see it.

[NeonSaltRocket]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

It's because he got massive buffs to the rest of his kit, while already being a very high win-rate character. You can't only buff a character who is already high / top tier.

He got nerfs along with his buffs. HoT and ult nerfs (damage and ult charge) while getting a direct hit heal and added shield health to his ult. I am confused by the wording regarding the projectile speed though.

[melonLord]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

Originally posted by NeonSaltRocket:

Bigger question is why? Why nerf it in the first place. Obviously jet dashing was enough of an impact to warrant a large nerf. Who was complaining about jet dash?

It's because he got massive buffs to the rest of his kit, while already being a very high win-rate character. You can't only buff a character who is already high / top tier.

I feel like this is getting overlooked because nerfs feel so much worse than buffs feel good when you pair them together, but he's likely gonna be a menace in season 3 with the healing and ult buff.

[Terotrous]

Originally posted by Bind0fGod:

I was really hoping for a cap buff, Most tier lists put him near the bottom but I just love playing him in Diamond.

Big RIP.

It should actually be noted that Cap is not really nerfed and Thor is not really buffed. Cap loses 25 health, but gains 100 health for being a team-up anchor, so he actually gains 75 health and 5% damage output. He does lose 50 health to his shield though.

Thor gains 75 health, but loses 100 health due to the loss of his team-up anchor status, so he's actually down 25 health. He does gain 50 movement speed though.

[Bind0fGod]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

Originally posted by Bind0fGod:

I was really hoping for a cap buff, Most tier lists put him near the bottom but I just love playing him in Diamond.

Big RIP.

It should actually be noted that Cap is not really nerfed and Thor is not really buffed. Cap loses 25 health, but gains 100 health for being a team-up anchor, so he actually gains 75 health and 5% damage output. He does lose 50 health to his shield though.

Thor gains 75 health, but loses 100 health due to the loss of his team-up anchor status, so he's actually down 25 health. He does gain 50 movement speed though.

but they nerfed bucky lmao

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

his health doesn't matter with CC he just pops his free half a health bar and dives out

Sure, but he doesn't really accomplish anything other than eating a ton of damage for a few seconds. I honestly can't even remember the last time a Venom killed me on any character.

Originally posted by You'reJustBad:

also what CC? there isn't going to be any CC if you play a CC character you will be dead from the spiderman and psylock

This becomes less true once you learn to heal whomever is being dived. I probably die to spiderman combo maybe 10% of the time, the other 90% of the time I get healed. I also pretty much always save people from it when I'm on healer.

A very well-timed double dive maybe, but those are very rare outside of extremely high ranks. Even in QP games against GM / Celestial players I virtually never see it.

hes just there to give spiderman a "I can kill anything in 0.2 seconds" button

and he is also there to molest the healers, not get kills

and no, ive tried all the "Counters" to spider man, they don't work, hence why its played so much, anyone who says otherwise is just gaslighting others to keep their heros uncounterable

same thing happend with Overwatch and Genji/Tracer players

then you had Brig, and no one liked that

and thats the way this game is going

they're alienating the majority casual players for the benefit of the minority sweaty ones...