Stop playing Widow and Moon Knight

[Mitrovarr]

They're not viable characters, and you know they're not viable characters.

Stop throwing.

Please, your teammates.

[[ﻮΗc]StarLight]

Moonknight is actually good he coutners Loki , the Groot raccoon jeff teamup but yes he has negative winrate

[Bind0fGod]

All dps mains should just lock Punisher and get free value since most of you are terrible anyway.

[Critical Chocolate]

lol tell me you have a skill issue with out telling me you have a skill issue. I climb just fine with widow. Not only does she chunk everything, her kit can deal with dives if you got the skill to follow up and game sense along with it.

[Corso]

Originally posted by Critical Chocolate:

lol tell me you have a skill issue with out telling me you have a skill issue. I climb just fine with widow. Not only does she chunk everything, her kit can deal with dives if you got the skill to follow up and game sense along with it.

from brone 3 to bronze 3?
there are things called statistics. widow is the second LEAST played champ in the game across all game modes.
imagine if you put your imaginary superior skills to actual good use.
climbing in ranked is not hard, by design it's made easy. if you can go 1:1 ratio win to loss, you can win (edit: climb). generally you can do that as baggage your team has to carry too.
i might have to give you a jester for this take.
widow isn't broken, her hero powers simply need a remake.

[mozzarxlla]

ive had both widow and mk carries, it rlly doesnt matter until ur high rank skill will trump meta

[Corso]

Originally posted by mozzarxlla:

ive had both widow and mk carries, it rlly doesnt matter until ur high rank skill will trump meta

"i've played 1000 matches and ive had a widow carry"
nobody is saying something is impossible. it's not probable, which is why nobody plays the hero. not because widow is a woman, or a sniper, or their (edit: the players) skills are bad. it's because she's literally useless overall. her numbers suck, and it's not due to bad players, it's due to bad design.

[kawaii bats]

Widow is the worst DPS in the game besides Scarlett

Moon Knight could be played by a blind person

[Mitrovarr]

Originally posted by mozzarxlla:

ive had both widow and mk carries, it rlly doesnt matter until ur high rank skill will trump meta

Playing bad characters is essentially handicapping your skill.

Sure, a high skilled Widow will carry in a low rank game. They could probably also carry DPSing on a support. But in their proper rank, Widow will be a bad character there, and they'll lose more games on her. Unless they used Widow to get to that rank, in which cause Widow is holding them back and they'd probably climb a lot if they switched to Hela.

[doofus0510]

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

Originally posted by mozzarxlla:

ive had both widow and mk carries, it rlly doesnt matter until ur high rank skill will trump meta

Playing bad characters is essentially handicapping your skill.

Sure, a high skilled Widow will carry in a low rank game. They could probably also carry DPSing on a support. But in their proper rank, Widow will be a bad character there, and they'll lose more games on her. Unless they used Widow to get to that rank, in which cause Widow is holding them back and they'd probably climb a lot if they switched to Hela.

well then there's no point, like why would i play this game to not play the character i enjoy(and i know qp is right there but sometimes we want to get actually better with that character as it feels good to)

[Tezcatli]

Makes me wanna play them even more.

[burrito taco native speaker]

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

They're not viable characters, and you know they're not viable characters.

Stop throwing.

Please, your teammates.

my win rate against moon knights is crazy high, to the point where i feel like i already won if there is a moonkight on the other team. I dont see any widows in diamond. Jeff however, if you get that hero in diamond, or any elo really, your chances of wining drops dramatically. That hero is anti elo.

[Joe Mama's Ghost Stories (Dub)]

if you think moon knight is unviable you should try actually hitting your enemies with his attacks, especially when theyre near each other or an ankh

[Krumpazoid]

Black Widow is such a useless character, they can get kills on range, but thats it. They stand and shoot in the back somewhere while the team tries their best to work together.

[rjsmith86]

Originally posted by Krumpazoid:

Black Widow is such a useless character, they can get kills on range, but thats it. They stand and shoot in the back somewhere while the team tries their best to work together.

if you notice the team magically removing large chunks of hp with widow on the team it's probably due to her landing a shot though

[Gabe Ate My Zombies]

Originally posted by Krumpazoid:

Black Widow is such a useless character, they can get kills on range, but thats it. They stand and shoot in the back somewhere while the team tries their best to work together.

This is a perfect example of someone who hasn't seen a good Widow.

Her kick is a get-out-of-dive-free card. You get the kick, start a combo, and whatever was diving your team is now fully stunned, has 210 health missing immediately after if the Widow can land a headshot, and unless your team is just not paying attention, they will die, no matter what saving abilities they have. This means Spidey gets shut down, Panther gets shut down, Magik gets shut down. With the specific case of Venom, you can kick him, wait for him to burn through his shield before trying to swing away, and interrupt the swing with the second part of her kick combo.

Jeff tries being annoying by running up to your team? You get a kick on him while he's surfaced and you are guaranteed to kill him. Luna Snow/Mantis/Invis ulting? With Hawkeye passive, you kill them and anything standing next to them instantly with no counterplay.

The whole time she's building up to these specific plays with kick and ult, she's doing consistent damage that's impossible to ignore. This means healers can't position poorly or they die, meaning they can't all stack up and roll over your team. You have the potential power to control the flow of engagements by controlling where their healers can stand.

The only problem with playing her at the moment is their entire team will want you dead and focus on you if you're doing well, and healers are so brainwashed by tier lists they'll assume healing you is a waste of time.