why people play jeff like duelist

[Ll]

seriously instead healing they spend their time at back at enemy line, and rarely use the Bubble skill

[Null Winter]

Mainly for "lol funny memes".

That aside, his basic attack does hurt a lot for a support, especially if he has Luna Snow's tag-team bonus turning it into a slowing AOE blast. He should be using it to pressure enemy shields and finish targets of opportunity ("Oh, Hela left that support on the ledge at under 50HP!") if nobody needs immediate healing on his team.

[Arc]

why not
huh
why the **** not
whats wrong with having fun huh
huh!?
"well lose"
then go heal yourself if yourere so good
oh no we losed this totally affects my life in any way shape or form and totally doesn't have no bearing at all on anything as i jump into the next game

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by Ll:

seriously instead healing they spend their time at back at enemy line, and rarely use the Bubble skill

Because he is insanely difficult to kill or tie down

he is self sufficient and his DPS is nothing to sniff at

his ult is also team fight winning if used correctly

[Broswick]

Because they think it's good. It's not, but they think it is.

[Mewsha]

Because he's best played as an off support.

You should never try to fill the niche of a Dagger, Luna, or Invisible Woman with a Jeff. Not every strategist is a dedicated healer. Personally I like Jeff when we have two healers on certain maps. The way he can switch to offensive and defensive so quickly is valuable when used in the right comp. Most players aren't going to know how to get that balance right, and there's nothing in his kit that marries the two sides.

The issue with Jeff is that he's way too binary in the current meta. Mantis is a strategist that fills the same role. She's incredibly aggressive, but she's rewarded with her aggression and precision with more heals unlike Jeff.

It always feels a bit weird focusing on damage because you're not getting anything back for doing that with heals, but if you focus on healing you're just doing way worse than a healing focused strategist.

And yeah there are certain Jeff players who never use their bubbles, but a lot of times I see DPS cry for a heal, when they're literally right next to a bubble.

[Broswick]

Originally posted by Mewsha:

Because he's best played as an off support.

You should never try to fill the niche of a Dagger, Luna, or Invisible Woman with a Jeff. Not every strategist is a dedicated healer. Personally I like Jeff when we have two healers on certain maps. The way he can switch to offensive and defensive so quickly is valuable when used in the right comp. Most players aren't going to know how to get that balance right, and there's nothing in his kit that marries the two sides.

The issue with Jeff is that he's way too binary in the current meta. Mantis is a strategist that fills the same role. She's incredibly aggressive, but she's rewarded with her aggression and precision with more heals unlike Jeff.

It always feels a bit weird focusing on damage because you're not getting anything back for doing that with heals, but if you focus on healing you're just doing way worse than a healing focused strategist.

And yeah there are certain Jeff players who never use their bubbles, but a lot of times I see DPS cry for a heal, when they're literally right next to a bubble.

It's a troll pick, or just someone uninformed who saw someone play it once and it looked cool. You end up with a sub-par dps, and a support who doesn't heal. So fun.

[Karnarax]

I don't mind if they play like it in QP. But when we have this as a 2nd healers in Ranked - I know we gonna lose. And they try to convince you it's a good strat while enemy team destroys us.

[JG2thend]

Because it's more fun than trying to play with a scuffed team.

[Broswick]

Originally posted by Karnarax:

I don't mind if they play like it in QP. But when we have this as a 2nd healers in Ranked - I know we gonna lose. And they try to convince you it's a good strat while enemy team destroys us.

Absolutely agree, this is what QP is for. People just get so butt hurt because they want to fight real people and not bots. They don't care that they'll ruin everyone else's game in ranked. They're the main character....

[Arc]

Originally posted by Broswick:

Originally posted by Karnarax:

I don't mind if they play like it in QP. But when we have this as a 2nd healers in Ranked - I know we gonna lose. And they try to convince you it's a good strat while enemy team destroys us.

Absolutely agree, this is what QP is for. People just get so butt hurt because they want to fight real people and not bots. They don't care that they'll ruin everyone else's game in ranked. They're the main character....

No, they do care and left the game as a result, its why its dying

[Terotrous]

It's generally because it's the primary way for him to get value. Jeff is easily the worst support (this is pretty much inarguable, he has the lowest winrate of every character in the game, and virtually every top player puts him dead last on the tierlist), so there's not much point picking him to play like a regular support since anyone else would do that job better. So if you are picking him, you're likely either picking him for his survivability + annoyance factor with the Luna team-up, or for his Ult, which is sometimes powerful on domination maps.

It's worth noting though that DPS Jeff is still fairly bad and many other characters would still fill that slot better. It's just not as bad as healbot Jeff.

[SandTag]

Originally posted by Ll:

seriously instead healing they spend their time at back at enemy line, and rarely use the Bubble skill

Sounds like a good jeff player.

The character's only use is as a self sufficient dive (think iron fist), the pair up is very strong w/ luna or groot and the ult can sometimes be instant win. (its good vs invisible woman for example)

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Originally posted by Arc:

Originally posted by Broswick:

Absolutely agree, this is what QP is for. People just get so butt hurt because they want to fight real people and not bots. They don't care that they'll ruin everyone else's game in ranked. They're the main character....

No, they do care and left the game as a result, its why its dying

its so funny to see everybody blame anything they dislike on why the numbers are falling when the numbers are completely normal based on hype falloff.

Monster hunter: Wilds
Peak count less than a month ago? over 1 million players
Count now? barely 200k
Still the people playing it love it. That just normal for hype. It had the monster hunter hype.

Palworld? People love it. 2m down to 50k in a few months. Completely normal hype drop off. It had hype by being a pokemon clone.

Marvel has some of the biggest hype on the planet so its gonna be a big deal. It had people who had never played games before or shooters before jumping into it. Your surprised most of those casuals are dropping off or trying the next big thing?

First they blamed matchmaking, then smurfing, and then balance, and then lack of role queue. Bad players always cope by finding something to blame or saying its all a hoax or rigged. A certain red hat political group in america JUST did that yesterday when they got caught leaking important documents. Immediately all the lies and cope came out about how its not their fault, or its a hoax, or it wasnt really important documents. What a joke.

[w0uFF⁧⁧-]

because it give so much space ?? (im not a jeff player at all but jeff flanking constantly without dying is a good thing).

[X Mal]

Because the didn't have a good father figure so they are confused and think that playing as a gay shark is fun.