Scourge Grenade is the worst ability in the game

[Jlad]

After spending the past few days getting that achievement I have come to this conclusion for a variety of reasons.

Pros:
- It makes the enemies blind in a small area for 1 second inside the smoke
- The knockback is good for micro movement to help you jump to areas you wouldn't be able to otherwise

Cons:
- Your teammates cannot see through the smoke
- You arguably can't see through the smoke either unless you mess with the visual settings. (Light red highlight through a light grey smoke screen doesn't exactly contrast and make it easy to see)
- It does 45 damage, and by the time it hits you could just, keep shooting and get more damage
- Is only good for small movements. So it's bad for roll outs, and if you mess up in the middle of combat you're just now in the air and easy to hit

Outside of the achievement this ability serves the niche purpose of moving you slightly higher in the air to either run away from an opponent or get up to a place you normally can't reach. Nvm the fact a well places shotgun shot will do between 140-280 damage, the rifle does 180 dps, and if you're on the turret when getting jumped it does splash damage, so just aim down and at the very least you'll do probably 60 damage to them before the turret or you die.

And before anyone mentions Loki's backstab or Spider-Man's spidey-sense. Those are both passives that don't take up an ability slot. Heck even Hawkeye's blast arrows don't take up an ability slot, they're just an alternative ammo type in the same way the ar and shotgun are for Punisher. This ability takes up a whole right-click, something everyone has. And it's dog water.

[plotch]

Will depend on how and when you use it tbh.

Generally it's a pretty good burst of damage to finish someone off and get out of the way. e.g close range hit with the shotgun into grenade will usually kill supports/dps outright for example. (assuming you don't hit a headshot immedietly)

Thought in most cases it's fairly "meh" damage if no one is low, the smoke has some use cases but overall it falls into the same category.

Consider it a smaller addition to you having a close range and medium/long range damage and a position ability/gap closer on top of a "broken" ultimate... he is overall strong even without the grenade.

[Reddit]

I agree 👍

[Jlad]

Originally posted by plotch:

Will depend on how and when you use it tbh.

Generally it's a pretty good burst of damage to finish someone off and get out of the way. e.g close range hit with the shotgun into grenade will usually kill supports/dps outright for example. (assuming you don't hit a headshot immedietly)

Thought in most cases it's fairly "meh" damage if no one is low, the smoke has some use cases but overall it falls into the same category.

Consider it a smaller addition to you having a close range and medium/long range damage and a position ability/gap closer on top of a "broken" ultimate... he is overall strong even without the grenade.

Oh yeah I agree he is strong. Like this doesn’t make him unplayable at all, but it just sucks as an ability. Especially a right click as most character’s right clicks are core and central to gameplay for them. Scourge Grenade just sorta, exists. And even the ability that is closest to it, Spore Bomb on Groot, out the gate is way better as the initial hit is 55 damage, and each spore that explodes around it is 10. It’s just, idk strange I guess

[plotch]

Originally posted by Jlad:

Originally posted by plotch:

Will depend on how and when you use it tbh.

Generally it's a pretty good burst of damage to finish someone off and get out of the way. e.g close range hit with the shotgun into grenade will usually kill supports/dps outright for example. (assuming you don't hit a headshot immedietly)

Thought in most cases it's fairly "meh" damage if no one is low, the smoke has some use cases but overall it falls into the same category.

Consider it a smaller addition to you having a close range and medium/long range damage and a position ability/gap closer on top of a "broken" ultimate... he is overall strong even without the grenade.

Oh yeah I agree he is strong. Like this doesn’t make him unplayable at all, but it just sucks as an ability. Especially a right click as most character’s right clicks are core and central to gameplay for them. Scourge Grenade just sorta, exists. And even the ability that is closest to it, Spore Bomb on Groot, out the gate is way better as the initial hit is 55 damage, and each spore that explodes around it is 10. It’s just, idk strange I guess

I hear you.. but lets be fair, groot is not pushing out 45-60k damage over a 15-25minute match. ;D
Having the grenade be better would probably be a bit much.... though i wouldn't mind seeing it do knockback or at the very least knockback enemies instead of just pushing punisher backwards... movement options are never bad. ;>

[Jlad]

Originally posted by plotch:

Originally posted by Jlad:

Oh yeah I agree he is strong. Like this doesn’t make him unplayable at all, but it just sucks as an ability. Especially a right click as most character’s right clicks are core and central to gameplay for them. Scourge Grenade just sorta, exists. And even the ability that is closest to it, Spore Bomb on Groot, out the gate is way better as the initial hit is 55 damage, and each spore that explodes around it is 10. It’s just, idk strange I guess

I hear you.. but lets be fair, groot is not pushing out 45-60k damage over a 15-25minute match. ;D
Having the grenade be better would probably be a bit much.... though i wouldn't mind seeing it do knockback or at the very least knockback enemies instead of just pushing punisher backwards... movement options are never bad. ;>

Fair point, I just find it funny that the most comparable ability is Groot, and the grenade on him is just better. It's like how Cloak's primary is just better than Scarlet's primary, granted with her it's expected you'd right click to do way more dps. But it's still amusing

[Steve]

It sucks as a damage ability, limited utility as a viewblocker (since it blocks everyone's vision), but utterly fantastic for getting TF out of Moon Knight's ult.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

I use it more for a little extra mobility lol. It helps a little get from cover to cover at times.

Maybe if it lasted longer then a second I’d get more use out of it.