Why do people think Squirrel Girl is bad?

[Terotrous]

I started playing her due to the event and I've actually been doing really well with her, but I think there's a general perception that she's at least somewhat bad. Despite this, I see her getting a ton of MVPs, both when I play her and when other people do.

I'd probably assess her strengths and weaknesses like this:

Pros:

- She's very good against ground-based characters. She's one of the best support killers and also does pretty well against mostly ground-based DPS like Punisher, Bucky, Hela, and Namor.

- Her overall DPS is fairly high, especially if the enemies are close together. It's not easy for most supports to heal off AOE damage.

- Her ult is great at assassinating supports, if they're near a wall and you throw it at them they basically instantly die. Because of this, she's generally better on indoor maps.

- Her superjump is pretty good at evading many enemy ults. Jeff, Magneto, Iron Man, etc. It can also save you from being knocked off the map.

- As a midliner she's fairly easy to heal for any support.


Cons:

- She has much more trouble against fliers and Spiderman, as she struggles to hit them. I still get a decent number of kills on Johnny and Storm but they're certainly not her preferred targets.

- Her secondary that throws the squirrels isn't that fantastic, it's hard to land and fairly reactable, it mostly gets value against dive tanks.

[AC!D]

Imo she is one of the easiest dps, and gets free kills just from shooting

[Fartin' Futa King]

I think she is decent, but is situational.
As you said she can't do anything with flyers. If you have 2-3 dps and one of them can't deal with e.g. Iron Man, it's a throw. I'm often forced to switch to Punisher.
She is also very hard to secure kills. I don't think I'm that bad, but I've had a lot of situations, where the enemy is at 10hp, but I constantly miss. That is especially true with duels, you either hit your stun acorn, or can't do anything and lose, unless you hit 90% of your shots naturally.
On the contrary she shines in the situations with a lot of enemies in the choke, especially when nobody is paying attention to her.
She is a spam god, but if you want to hit something specific or win a duel it's essentially high risk high reward.
Personally that's why I don't play her that often even though I like her character the most. With e.g. Punisher your ability to deal damage to specific targets is linear relative to your accuracy. With Squirrel Girl it's exponential or something, you suck really hard unless you perfectly hit most of your shots, but if you do she can be really strong. It's like OW Soldier76 vs Junkrat or TF2 Heavy vs Demoman, the second always requires a big group of enemies to spam or very precise aim to reliably kill single targets.

[XelNigma]

once in a while she will get an accidental hit/kill. But most of the time players dont realize shes putting pressure in a zone she knows people will be and you where there. So it feels like she just got luckly. When infact, you where just predictable.
Her grenades have such small aoes shes not going to get very many luckly blind hits.
but man, going against a good squirrel girl it feels like shes putting you down with out even trying.

[[MM] arborman wamp]

sometimes it feels like every hit lands in one game and in the next I can't hit nobody. Just kinda seems hit or miss at times.

[RobAlca]

squirrel can kill a whole squad without even seeing the enemies

[Terotrous]

Originally posted by Fartin' Futa King:

I think she is decent, but is situational.
As you said she can't do anything with flyers. If you have 2-3 dps and one of them can't deal with e.g. Iron Man, it's a throw. I'm often forced to switch to Punisher.

Yeah, I feel like almost every DPS has counters except maybe Punisher, they're probably the least versatile class overall (likely because there's so many of them). That said, I haven't seen that many situations where she does really bad outside of vs 2 or more fliers.

Originally posted by Fartin' Futa King:

She is also very hard to secure kills. I don't think I'm that bad, but I've had a lot of situations, where the enemy is at 10hp, but I constantly miss. That is especially true with duels, you either hit your stun acorn, or can't do anything and lose, unless you hit 90% of your shots naturally.

This can happen sometimes, you want to work with the other DPSes to focus down a target, an acorn from squirrel girl can help hit a lot of damage breakpoints for other characters. That said I do have fairly good accuracy with her on grounded targets, you can kinda just aim down and even if you don't hit the direct the explosion should hit. I often kinda aim at the feet of grounded targets and it usually works.

[melonLord]

Partially because originally she was pretty bad (before they buffed her ult).

[mozzarxlla]

shes so annoying to play against on supp i literally die just from catching stray autos

[LuciferRiding]

Because people don't play her as a midliner they play her as a turret and she sucks when she's standing behind the healers. She has a great escape button compared to some of the other mid and frontline dps, she eats tanks, and her squirrel trap can cost someone half their health instantly, but people play her from your spawn door cause they're scared of engaging.

[Imortality]

That character, if played by someone that knows each map, is a headache. You can angle off of structures to hit your opponents without being in line of sight. The ricochet of the acorns is deadly.

But, as the OP posted she is drastically handicapped against airborne targets.

[KitKat]

There are actually TWO reasons why people think she's "bad".
1) The previously mentioned issues with flying characters, so no reason to explain too much again;

2) This character is "easy to get into, but hard to master". Anyone can just spam base fire in the general direction of the enemy, get huge damage numbers at the end of the match, yet still be not only absolutely usseless to the team, but actively playing against your team. How? By feeding rather low AOE damage(but not kills) into tanks, thus providing healers with targets to heal and gain "free" ult charge.

A lot of people who don't want to really get in-depth with her, just hop in and randomly spam shots, farming damage numbers, thinking they are doing great with those 20-30-40k damage a match. When in reality, if you do that, you're shooting yourself and your team in the foot. Because most of that will be at tanks and healed up instantly.

You need to target backline, do trick-shots around corners to counter line-of-sight DPS(Punisher, Hela, etc) and know when/where to throw your alt-fire at priority targets for easy kills for you and teammates (such as supports or dives like Spidey/BP).

That second one is the main reason why people think she's "bad". Because bad players are actively playing against their own team, feeding ult charge to enemy healers. And we all remenber how ult charge is important for supports - especially now, after the nerfs.

[Kanbay]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

Yeah, I feel like almost every DPS has counters except maybe Punisher, they're probably the least versatile class overall (likely because there's so many of them). That said, I haven't seen that many situations where she does really bad outside of vs 2 or more fliers.

I feel like plenty of characters counter punisher. Get behind him with his turret with starlord? easy kill. Mister fantastic can force him into an annoying fight, with the way his entire kit works, and the shotgun doesn't do too great with the smaller frame. When you go big, the shotgun is a worry, but if you are doing fantastic right, punisher is already dead the next swing. If you can do spiderman/wolverine/black panther, you can rip him apart. I'm not good with any of those three, but unless your shotgun is already out, you are dead before you can switch, or they are zipping around enough you can't get the instant kill.

[Black Lamb, Rock Enjoyer]

They need to know that she has essentially 2 roots.

[WAFFLES? DON'T U MEAN CARROTS!!]

Originally posted by Terotrous:

Why do people think Squirrel Girl is bad?

They will argue that squirrel girl's nuts does damage but not securing the final hit which helps the other team ultimate recharge faster.

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[R for Reload]

No headshot.
Explosion isn't big enough to be a team breaker.
Even in hela only get 1 in 4 headshots
she has more DPS then squirrel girl can ever get.
Punisher has more DPS with just body shots, even more with a shotgun.

Ayways quick sum up on why shes bad:
Proj
Awful escape,
Fat hitbox,
Her ult is useless pass plat.