Mantis dmg and healing way lower than cloak and dagger...

[Gisborne]

I just worked my ass off doing dmg and healing in a ranked game and the cloak and dagger on my team did over double both... way easier. I heal TONS more as rocket racoon, why is Mantis SO BAD? also she has way more kills, why is cloak so OP?

[Mochan]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

3 pages of banter just for it to come down to skissue.

People using the word skill issue these days like people calling anything good Fire is cringe and sad and shows the decline of gaming.

If you're still in Silver you definitely don't have the skill.

Mantis is arguably the strongest support in the game. You not realizing that is mostly due to your lack of skill and understanding of the game. The fact that you think Cloak and Dagger is OP is hilarious. C&D is easy to use. She is the equivalent of this game's Moira. But she is not OP and this becomes apparent very quickly once you start fighting more skilled players.

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

When played well Mantis can carry an entire team.

You can say thay about most classes... I play squirrel girl mostly and can single handy ♥♥♥♥ down an entire team,. Come top damage by a mile and kills and mvp. We were utterly losing a game yesterday getting wrecked at spawn, I go thir, push enemy and I'm 1v4 killing heir team all game and we went from being destroyed to going straight to the end and winning simply for me being thow, no one else. Ps I have barely played thir, all I do is spam melee atyack and charge constantly and most of the time the enemy can't deal with it.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Most good players can, yes. It's a shooter. Were you expecting accuracy to not matter?

75 dps vs 125 dps means you only need 60% accuracy to match Cloak's damage. Less when you count Mantis 12% dmg buff. Which btw, 12% per character is a huge damage boost that's all from your existence, and your damage count won't reflect that.

I've played shooted on Pc my entire life and with tens of thousands da of hours of practice I'm still not able to headshot constantly a spiderman zipping around, and I don't believe anyone here including you an either without lying and pretending. So stop trying to act the big man.

Time spent does not denote skill gained. Shooters are a young man's game and the teenagers have the best time at them, it's who the games are really made for. When I was 14, I could consistently track and hit a moving bullseye with perfect accuracy. There are literally shooting ranges in games now where players test their skill, and games like Osu exist that prove player tracking ability. How you would deny that such skill exists when it's proven every day is beyond me. Not like the meme of 360 no scopes hasn't been a thing for literally over a decade and it's a testament to the skill of players able to doing full spins in midair while still landing their headshot. You are not a sniper, that's the only thing you've said with this post, so stop trying to act like everyone else is stuck at your skill level.

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Originally posted by Gisborne:

I've played shooted on Pc my entire life and with tens of thousands da of hours of practice I'm still not able to headshot constantly a spiderman zipping around, and I don't believe anyone here including you an either without lying and pretending. So stop trying to act the big man.

Time spent does not denote skill gained. Shooters are a young man's game and the teenagers have the best time at them, it's who the games are really made for. When I was 14, I could consistently track and hit a moving bullseye with perfect accuracy. There are literally shooting ranges in games now where players test their skill, and games like Osu exist that prove player tracking ability. How you would deny that such skill exists when it's proven every day is beyond me. Not like the meme of 360 no scopes hasn't been a thing for literally over a decade and it's a testament to the skill of players able to doing full spins in midair while still landing their headshot. You are not a sniper, that's the only thing you've said with this post, so stop trying to act like everyone else is stuck at your skill level.

Ironic because snipers are still, silent, don't move and stalk slow targets and take a ♥♥♥♥ when they are still, all things i can do in any game where actual sniping is a thing...

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Time spent does not denote skill gained. Shooters are a young man's game and the teenagers have the best time at them, it's who the games are really made for. When I was 14, I could consistently track and hit a moving bullseye with perfect accuracy. There are literally shooting ranges in games now where players test their skill, and games like Osu exist that prove player tracking ability. How you would deny that such skill exists when it's proven every day is beyond me. Not like the meme of 360 no scopes hasn't been a thing for literally over a decade and it's a testament to the skill of players able to doing full spins in midair while still landing their headshot. You are not a sniper, that's the only thing you've said with this post, so stop trying to act like everyone else is stuck at your skill level.

Ironic because snipers are still, silent, don't move and stalk slow targets and take a ♥♥♥♥ when they are still, all things i can do in any game where actual sniping is a thing...

Video game snipers, as was the context. They do none of that and are too busy shooting the wings off a mosquito from 100m. Your point was that because you can't do it, no one can, to which I will offer a link to www.twitch.tv which has ample evidence for proving you wrong. You started down this path simply because Cloak has shots that require little aim while characters require accuracy. Have a look at the scoreboard next time to see that people can hit accuracy ratings above 50% without using autoaim characters.

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Ironic because snipers are still, silent, don't move and stalk slow targets and take a ♥♥♥♥ when they are still, all things i can do in any game where actual sniping is a thing...

Video game snipers, as was the context. They do none of that and are too busy shooting the wings off a mosquito from 100m. Your point was that because you can't do it, no one can, to which I will offer a link to www.twitch.tv which has ample evidence for proving you wrong. You started down this path simply because Cloak has shots that require little aim while characters require accuracy. Have a look at the scoreboard next time to see that people can hit accuracy ratings above 50% without using autoaim characters.

my point was the majority cant keep aim 100% of the time on an enemies head at 50-100m jumping around, and all you cam eback with some nonsense than the game is made for 14 year old who can do that, I could never do that when i was 14, and im much better now at 34 at fps games than when i was 14, so stop talking crap.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Video game snipers, as was the context. They do none of that and are too busy shooting the wings off a mosquito from 100m. Your point was that because you can't do it, no one can, to which I will offer a link to www.twitch.tv which has ample evidence for proving you wrong. You started down this path simply because Cloak has shots that require little aim while characters require accuracy. Have a look at the scoreboard next time to see that people can hit accuracy ratings above 50% without using autoaim characters.

my point was the majority cant keep aim 100% of the time on an enemies head at 50-100m jumping around, and all you cam eback with some nonsense than the game is made for 14 year old who can do that, I could never do that when i was 14, and im much better now at 34 at fps games than when i was 14, so stop talking crap.

You're the only one doing that, sir. You use qualifiers like 100% of the time to try to mask your defense as bulletproof because you believe no one can have 100% accuracy. But that was never the position being held here nor the claim that got you into this mess. You don't require anywhere near perfect precision to succeed with Mantis. If all you're going to keep going on about is that you personally never had any skill at first person shooters, then the topic is done because you're complaining that a character designed for players like you is performing better than a character that requires competence.

[Dumbpillows]

I like her :3

[HighLanderPony]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

3 pages of banter just for it to come down to skissue.

People using the word skill issue these days like people calling anything good Fire is cringe and sad and shows the decline of gaming.

Still not as declining as your ability to aim on Mantis.

[Spriggan]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by Princz:

She is prety much the strongest supp in the game..

CLEARLY NOT, HALF DMG, HALF KILLS, HALF HEALING OF CLOAK AND DAGGER, SO YEAH... SO USEFUL.

skill issue 100%

[Nokturnal]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by Princz:

She is prety much the strongest supp in the game..

CLEARLY NOT, HALF DMG, HALF KILLS, HALF HEALING OF CLOAK AND DAGGER, SO YEAH... SO USEFUL.

The game doesn't track your damage buff on allies, but you still get assists for when people get kills with it on.

To be good at mantis DPS you gotta be landing headshots constantly, but otherwise you have nothing besides your own damage buff as far as offensive skills, so yea, Invis Women and C&D will outdamage you as they have offensive abilities on top of their regular attacks.

Stop caring about stats though, you can pad stats all day that's not gonna secure your win. Making good plays aren't translated well into stats. Hell, Diver characters in general will never have great stats unless their team sucks, but they'll be making the plays that win the game by killing the enemy healers for example.