Mantis dmg and healing way lower than cloak and dagger...

[Gisborne]

I just worked my ass off doing dmg and healing in a ranked game and the cloak and dagger on my team did over double both... way easier. I heal TONS more as rocket racoon, why is Mantis SO BAD? also she has way more kills, why is cloak so OP?

[Milkie]

Mostly because she has a sleep CC that when used correctly can just delete someone from a team fight. That alone in a character's kit is incredibly powerful. If she was more powerful in other areas, she'd become the defacto Only Choice when it comes to playing Strategist.

Then her damage buff also adds more to her kit, filing even more off the edges of the rest. You're basically asking to make her OP.

[kw0lf.tw]

With Mantis, you can't be hanging back and healing. You need to have your buff up on yourself 100% and be landing headshots. Every heashot she lands, she refreshes a leaf. So your healing, buffing team, buffing yourself, and attacking. She's not a "pure" healer ... go with Luna if you want a more pure healer.

[PlainLazy4]

I think the problem is thinking of the numbers rather than the effect you can have in a team fight and with her kit, for example if you you're pushing onto a point/payload with here ult and like maybe a Starlord or similar ult on deck you can use a damage buff on the Starlord ult and stay under him so he can clean up the backline and damage buff another DPS and a tank for 3 total damage buffs to target the tanks and any stray DPS while not really having to heal anyone during the fight all while being able to pump headshots into the tanks to keep your life orbs up just in case, and even while this is a great what if scenario I agree that she does lower healing and damage but that's also exactly why you should pair her with someone with higher healing out pout like a rocket or C&D because you gotta remember supports aren't healers, they're supports they have kits that support the team, they aren't all just heal bots.

TLDR; Her kit is very good and she doesn't do high numbers because she's not a healer she's a support, not all supports are designed for healing the whole team, and she thrives when she doesn't have to heal a tank or a whole team, she can 3 shot any squishy and has a great stun to combat enemy ults and dives.

[HappyCrasher]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gisborne:

I just worked my ass off doing dmg and healing in a ranked game and the cloak and dagger on my team did over double both... way easier. I heal TONS more as rocket racoon, why is Mantis SO BAD? also she has way more kills, why is cloak so OP?

litterally just because you cant hit headshots, if you arent healing or doing damage as mantis is because you suck at hitting people in the face because thats how she recharges faster

[Get Out]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Pikachar:

She is not bad. She has buff. This is her main selling point. Thus she works great in the middle of combat. + she is realy strong with her stun grenade, which she can use for both defence, to stun divers and offence, to interrupt tank ults. With self buff and propper aim, she can destroy some flankers

No she def doesn't need a buff. She is way too strong still. The only reason people don't pick her anymore is the fact that the other 3 is way more broken.

[EmperorVolo]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gisborne:

I just worked my ass off doing dmg and healing in a ranked game and the cloak and dagger on my team did over double both... way easier. I heal TONS more as rocket racoon, why is Mantis SO BAD? also she has way more kills, why is cloak so OP?

It's just you. Mantis is the TOP healer by WIN RATE in GM level.

[Terotrous]

Mantis should definitely not be dealing less damage than C&D, she should probably be putting up about double the damage numbers on average (unless C&D is spending most of the match as Cloak, in which case Mantis will massively outheal them). Mantis is easily the most aggressive of the supports, having both high overall DPS and a devastating CC which is incredible for securing kills (she's basically like the original design of McCree from Overwatch but a healer). Her healing, while not quite as strong as some of the others, is also great for healing dive characters that other healers may struggle to target.

[Gisborne]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Terotrous:

Mantis should definitely not be dealing less damage than C&D, she should probably be putting up about double the damage numbers on average (unless C&D is spending most of the match as Cloak, in which case Mantis will massively outheal them). Mantis is easily the most aggressive of the supports, having both high overall DPS and a devastating CC which is incredible for securing kills (she's basically like the original design of McCree from Overwatch but a healer). Her healing, while not quite as strong as some of the others, is also great for healing dive characters that other healers may struggle to target.

well if you can land most hits... and then your constantly spinning around healing or buffing people which takes your focus off aiming and dps. doesnt cloak aoe dmg and heal from the same attack?

[the legendary neuts]

Total damage doesn't matter, Mantis is a lot better at securing kills with her sleep and ability to headshot.

Cloak & Dagger is still a ridiculously good S-tier support that is designed to be played by a lobotomite with arthritis (if you're a cloak and dagger main, yes that's you), but C&D isn't nearly as good at securing kills even though you often see her with high damage stats.

[SeaofBiscuits]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gisborne:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Terotrous:

Mantis should definitely not be dealing less damage than C&D, she should probably be putting up about double the damage numbers on average (unless C&D is spending most of the match as Cloak, in which case Mantis will massively outheal them). Mantis is easily the most aggressive of the supports, having both high overall DPS and a devastating CC which is incredible for securing kills (she's basically like the original design of McCree from Overwatch but a healer). Her healing, while not quite as strong as some of the others, is also great for healing dive characters that other healers may struggle to target.

well if you can land most hits... and then your constantly spinning around healing or buffing people which takes your focus off aiming and dps. doesnt cloak aoe dmg and heal from the same attack?

since all of this revolves around an objective, I'm pretty sure that makes her insanely valuable. you get into said objective and then she deletes your ult and plus sets you up for a take down. seems pretty op.

[Kyutaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gisborne:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Princz:

She is prety much the strongest supp in the game..

CLEARLY NOT, HALF DMG, HALF KILLS, HALF HEALING OF CLOAK AND DAGGER, SO YEAH... SO USEFUL.

I'm not sure what drugs prompted you to say this, but I'll cure your misconceptions with a link to their stats page.

https://www.marvelrivals.com/heroes/index.html

If you review their damage and abilities, you'll find cloak and dagger only output 75 dps on their primary while Mantis deals 125 dps with hers. Mantis also has no damage falloff on her long range attacks while Cloak has a 20m max range.

[HighLanderPony]

It helps if you hit your shots.

[Gisborne]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Kyutaru:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gisborne:

CLEARLY NOT, HALF DMG, HALF KILLS, HALF HEALING OF CLOAK AND DAGGER, SO YEAH... SO USEFUL.

I'm not sure what drugs prompted you to say this, but I'll cure your misconceptions with a link to their stats page.

https://www.marvelrivals.com/heroes/index.html

If you review their damage and abilities, you'll find cloak and dagger only output 75 dps on their primary while Mantis deals 125 dps with hers. Mantis also has no damage falloff on her long range attacks while Cloak has a 20m max range.

cloaks attacks not only HOME on their targets making missing vastly less of a thing, but they deal aoe as well, i was trying to take down storm yesterday as mantis and the storm players was moving in constantly random directions up down left and right, making hitting her next to impossible. so if mantis misses 4 of 5 hits, but cloaks hits 4 of 5 hits, who has more dmg?

[Kyutaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gisborne:

cloaks attacks not only HOME on their targets making missing vastly less of a thing, but they deal aoe as well, i was trying to take down storm yesterday as mantis and the storm players was moving in constantly random directions up down left and right, making hitting her next to impossible.

Scarlet Witch has a similar ability to not miss as much, yet she only deals 50 dps for it. The problem with both characters is they cannot land critical hits at all. You know headshots? Yeah, those are a thing. Mantis can do them. They do major spike damage. These homing attacks can't.

And none of this is even counting the fact that Mantis buffs her entire team's damage as well, making a large part of their offense her own.

[Kyutaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gisborne:

so if mantis misses 4 of 5 hits, but cloaks hits 4 of 5 hits, who has more dmg?

If mantis is missing that many shots, she shouldn't be playing as mantis because she sucks at the game. Cloak is merely noob friendly, not good.