Wolverine useless or just bad Youtube tutorials?

[master_dave]

Wolverine seems useless to me. Or it seems its just too much effort to make him useful. I see countless youtube tutorials "OH! WOLVERINE HE'S A TANK BUSTER". Then go into games and literally can't kill any tanks.

His Feral Leap just too hard to land consistently. Doesn't matter if you can hit 100 times in training mode; for some reason it ALWAYS misses in actual game.

I just don't have the time to spend 100 hours learning how to land Fearless Leap, when some guy can just jump on Scarlet Witch and delete me in 2 seconds with no brains.

Game claims he's a 3-star difficulty character; but he's harder than Spider Man to get value out of.

[you don't matter]

I don't feel he's useless, at all, although I don't play competitive
I play him like flanker, hide, measure the distance first, dash in, make sure you are close that is almost to the face of the target, then leap, it will grab the target, once landed, he'll be stunned for a short moment, that's when you do dmg, this is the key to play him well, using leap properly I think

[Good Person]

right click to basically hug their ass then leap seems to be more consistent in general with landing the Leap.

Beyond that? I find I get the most value bullying the other tank. If I happen to have cds and max rage I'll try to get a pick on a duelists/strats, but otherwise just trying to upkeep rage via farming enemy tank while using right click/cover to get around. Feral Leap to get to safety if its really urgent.

[Good Person]

Originally posted by Good Person:

right click to basically hug their ass then leap seems to be more consistent in general with landing the Leap.

Beyond that? I find I get the most value bullying the other tank. If I happen to have cds and max rage I'll try to get a pick on a duelists/strats, but otherwise just trying to upkeep rage via farming enemy tank while using right click/cover to get around. Feral Leap to get to safety if its really urgent.

Also. If you're ontop of someone, you don't even need to Leap facing towards them and turn them around. Just pressing leap in whatever direction you choose to face will just sunction them infront of you.

[Listed]

Originally posted by master_dave:

Wolverine seems useless to me. 1. Or it seems its just too much effort to make him useful. 2. I see countless youtube tutorials "OH! WOLVERINE HE'S A TANK BUSTER". Then go into games and literally can't kill any tanks.

3. His Feral Leap just too hard to land consistently. Doesn't matter if you can hit 100 times in training mode; for some reason it ALWAYS misses in actual game.

4. I just don't have the time to spend 100 hours learning how to land Fearless Leap, when some guy can just jump on Scarlet Witch and delete me in 2 seconds with no brains.

5. Game claims he's a 3-star difficulty character; but he's harder than Spider Man to get value out of.

1. sort of true. he does take more effort than lobotomizing yourself and playing Hela.

2. likely bad timing or bad entry positoning. use high ground, corners, etc. dont walk straight at enemies, shout before going in, its a flat 50% damage reduction. max hp wolverine gets 450 health from shout, trying to get out and shouting at 50 hp will only get you 75, no bueno.

3 and 4. very true, but it takes some practice like most difficult things. the best advice i can give is to straight up turn off your crosshair on wolverine. it does not help, if anything its worse. Wolverine IS the hitbox for his grab, if you are skin on skin with an enemy, no matter where they are (even behind you), they will almost always get grabbed. also, dont go for anyone but tanks unless you have numbers advantage and they're already down a tank. dont play logan if they only have one tank, not worth the effort

5. Spider man is harder. much much harder. Logan actually gets kind of boring to me sometimes (and he's my highest proficiency hero) because his loop is so simple once broken down. wait, shout, slash, grab. there is nothing else to it unless you have ult. Spider man needs map knowledge, aim, and has much tighter timing and shorter opportunity windows, etc.

[ReaperOne1Two2]

He exists in super high ELO as someone who just sneaks behind the enemy tank, walks point blank and leaps/kidnaps them into your team. With your tank blocking all heals while everyone else DPS him down.

Unless you're in a team who can coordinate this, he's generally a bad pick.

[Nokturnal]

It's just a skill issue honestly, he's amazing if played well. You gotta have situational awareness, know where the health pickups are. Play smart, los the enemy, attack when it's safe to do so. He rips tanks apart, can 1v1 anyone if you know how to play, his ult can AoE stun multiple people if timed right and just rip them to shreds.

Problem with most Wolverine players if they think they can just run straight at the enemy team and expect their healers to keep them up, that's not how he works. You gotta surprise the enemy and displace the enemy, only playing unsafe when your passive isn't on cooldown and only when you know you're making a big play by doing so. Most players can't even land his leap correctly.

[Listed]

Originally posted by Nokturnal:

can 1v1 anyone if you know how to play

everything else is a 100% agree but this. certain heros just ♥♥♥♥ on wolverine. going to ignore the obvious flying heros, but an equally skilled Psyloke or Hela just dumpster you if you decide to pick a with with them. most supports can outrun you, stun you and get away, or flat out stun into kill you (♥♥♥♥ mantis).

average Winter soldiers can dumpster really good Wolverines, his combo is that good. the only time i go for dps is if have ult or they're already down one or both tanks.

assuming you manage to grab them with leap to start, the heros i think still consistently get away or even kill you are:

all flyers besides maybe storm (needs really good wind pathing tho), Jeff, Luna Snow, Mantis, Rocket Raccoon, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Venom, Punisher (he has to already have his shotgun though), Magik (genuinley ♥♥♥♥ this hero, armor off hitting cooldowns in a melee 1v1 is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥), Winter Soldier, Hela, and Iron Fist

[Nokturnal]

Originally posted by Manic4Moxxie:

Originally posted by Nokturnal:

can 1v1 anyone if you know how to play

everything else is a 100% agree but this. certain heros just ♥♥♥♥ on wolverine. going to ignore the obvious flying heros, but an equally skilled Psyloke or Hela just dumpster you if you decide to pick a with with them. most supports can outrun you, stun you and get away, or flat out stun into kill you (♥♥♥♥ mantis).

average Winter soldiers can dumpster really good Wolverines, his combo is that good. the only time i go for dps is if have ult or they're already down one or both tanks.

assuming you manage to grab them with leap to start, the heros i think still consistently get away or even kill you are:

all flyers, Jeff, Luna Snow, Mantis, Rocket Raccoon, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Venom, Punisher (he has to already have his shotgun though), Magik (genuinley ♥♥♥♥ this hero, armor off hitting cooldowns in a melee 1v1 is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥), Winter Soldier, Hela, and Iron Fist

Trick is not engaging them when their abilities are ready, it's really that simple. You gotta pay attention and yea, even flying heroes and healers you can take out with a nice surprise leap. The right click comes up so fast you can very easily beat people to health packs just gotta know where they are. I've yet to come up against a Hela for example that gave me much trouble. LoS her, sneak up on her, beat the crap out of her

Hell earlier today, threw a Hela off the map and she wasted her Ult to try to save herself, then died off map when she landed.

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Originally posted by Nokturnal:

Trick is not engaging them when their abilities are ready, it's really that simple. You gotta pay attention and yea, even flying heroes and healers you can take out with a nice surprise leap. The right click comes up so fast you can very easily beat people to health packs just gotta know where they are. I've yet to come up against a Hela for example that gave me much trouble. LoS her, sneak up on her, beat the crap out of her.

makes sense i guess. just dont see the value of ability tracking a dps and praying they dont notice you flanking them for a 65% chance of getting the pick when you can just yoink a tank and almost always garuntee the pick on the most valuable role. the embarasment of a hero holding S while looking at you and burning you before slash is back is enough for me to never go for it

[Ghostvenger92]

Originally posted by master_dave:

Wolverine seems useless to me. Or it seems its just too much effort to make him useful. I see countless youtube tutorials "OH! WOLVERINE HE'S A TANK BUSTER". Then go into games and literally can't kill any tanks.

His Feral Leap just too hard to land consistently. Doesn't matter if you can hit 100 times in training mode; for some reason it ALWAYS misses in actual game.

I just don't have the time to spend 100 hours learning how to land Fearless Leap, when some guy can just jump on Scarlet Witch and delete me in 2 seconds with no brains.

Game claims he's a 3-star difficulty character; but he's harder than Spider Man to get value out of.

he is good, he can even replace tanks alot of times because enemy focus on him instead. he deals alot of damage and can get easy kills when enemy isnt focused on you rather than the "tank" lol

[Nokturnal]

Originally posted by Manic4Moxxie:

Originally posted by Nokturnal:

Trick is not engaging them when their abilities are ready, it's really that simple. You gotta pay attention and yea, even flying heroes and healers you can take out with a nice surprise leap. The right click comes up so fast you can very easily beat people to health packs just gotta know where they are. I've yet to come up against a Hela for example that gave me much trouble. LoS her, sneak up on her, beat the crap out of her.

makes sense i guess. just dont see the value of ability tracking a dps and praying they dont notice you flanking them for a 65% chance of getting the pick when you can just yoink a tank and almost always garuntee the pick on the most valuable role. the embarasment of a hero holding S while looking at you and burning you before slash is back is enough for me to never go for it

Well when the Tanks are already dead or hiding in the backline, gotta make the picks you can make rather than twiddling your thumbs waiting for the Tanks to get into position.

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Originally posted by Nokturnal:

Originally posted by Manic4Moxxie:

makes sense i guess. just dont see the value of ability tracking a dps and praying they dont notice you flanking them for a 65% chance of getting the pick when you can just yoink a tank and almost always garuntee the pick on the most valuable role. the embarasment of a hero holding S while looking at you and burning you before slash is back is enough for me to never go for it

Well when the Tanks are already dead or hiding in the backline, gotta make the picks you can make rather than twiddling your thumbs waiting for the Tanks to get into position.

good point. usually i just grab who i can into my team cooldowns be dammed when tanks are down lol. 1v1's are just too risky or have such a short opportunity window imo.

[AlbinoFrog]

Wovlerine is good in high rank because players know how to play him correctly and know how to follow up on the "kidnaps." He is alright in mid-ladder as just a general diving tank buster. Less experienced players will sometimes either get too impatient and jump at the wrong time or teammates won't know to follow up correctly. Both of which will diminish his viability. In low rank he is kind of a bad pick unless the person playing them is specifically maining him. Playing him for the first time in low rank in a lobby where nobody knows what is happening is just a recipe for disaster. Obviously there is bit more nuance, but this is generally what holds true for most matches with a Wolverine.

TL;DR The better the overall game sense of the lobby is the better he will perform. This does kind of create a catch 22 if you plan on maining him though. Low ranks will oftentimes be harder than high ranks because of weird positioning choices from both enemies and teammates alike.

[tallgeese]

Isn't Logan currently one of the strongest heroes?

[MonkeyHotDog]

All i know is that your not supose to use his LEAP to land on someone.
You are supose to use the leap 1cm from enemy hero and grab him/her and jump AWAY with the enemy hero and kill him/her LOS from the healer.