Role queue

[Jora Invalid]

Yea-yea-yea, it's another one of that topics..

After getting platinum, more and more often (quite often) in teams there are situations when someone simply does not know how to play other roles and this is a problem. Yes, in an ideal world, every player should be able to play all roles and all characters for counter pick, but let's be real, most play at a decent level only for 1 role
And here is a situation that I have personally observed almost the tenth time since getting platinum, the team consists of players who do not play one of the roles. For example, in my personal experience, since platinum there are a lot more supports and less sensible dps, so I am no longer surprised when there are no dps players in the team and someone needs to take their role. But what's the point? If you take someone you don't know how to play, especially on platinum+, it's trolling. And I'm not going to blame the players for this, I'm a tank main myself, and even if I learn to play all roles, I shouldn't expect this from every single one of my teammates.

So tell me, what solution should there be to such a problem, except adding a role queue, at least for 2 priority positions for each player out of 3?

(all text is written through google translation, don't blame me plz)

[Roland]

You shouldn't even be playing Competitive if you can't play all 3 roles and at least 2 characters in each role. If you can't fill the role needed, you do not deserve to rank up, period.
I say this about literally every hero shooter ever.

[Jora Invalid]

Originally posted by Roland:

You shouldn't even be playing Competitive if you can't play all 3 roles and at least 2 characters in each role. If you can't fill the role needed, you do not deserve to rank up, period.
I say this about literally every hero shooter ever.

Cool. And where can I learn to play equally well for a certain rank other than in ranked mode?

[Roland]

Originally posted by Jora Invalid:

Originally posted by Roland:

You shouldn't even be playing Competitive if you can't play all 3 roles and at least 2 characters in each role. If you can't fill the role needed, you do not deserve to rank up, period.
I say this about literally every hero shooter ever.

Cool. And where can I learn to play equally well for a certain rank other than in ranked mode?

You see your problem?
You got yourself into a rank you can't handle. Now you have to risk ranking down while you learn. This is why you shouldn't even touch Ranked until you have decent proficiency in all 3 roles.
I have no sympathy; you dug the grave, so lie in it.

[Jora Invalid]

Originally posted by Roland:

Originally posted by Jora Invalid:

Cool. And where can I learn to play equally well for a certain rank other than in ranked mode?

You see your problem?
You got yourself into a rank you can't handle. Now you have to risk ranking down while you learn. This is why you shouldn't even touch Ranked until you have decent proficiency in all 3 roles.
I have no sympathy; you dug the grave, so lie in it.

What are you talking about??
Let's simulate the situation. I found a game, my team had 4 support players and 2 tank players (including me). Matchmaking didn’t give me a dps player on my team and one of the supports (most logical) needs to take someone they don’t play at the proper level because they didn’t have the opportunity to learn it earlier
And now your advice is to troll the game because matchmaking and the lack of role queue decided so?

[Roland]

Originally posted by Jora Invalid:

Originally posted by Roland:

You see your problem?
You got yourself into a rank you can't handle. Now you have to risk ranking down while you learn. This is why you shouldn't even touch Ranked until you have decent proficiency in all 3 roles.
I have no sympathy; you dug the grave, so lie in it.

What are you talking about??
Let's simulate the situation. I found a game, my team had 4 support players and 2 tank players (including me). Matchmaking didn’t give me a dps player on my team and one of the supports (most logical) needs to take someone they don’t play at the proper level because they didn’t have the opportunity to learn it earlier
And now your advice is to troll the game because matchmaking and the lack of role queue decided so?

Do you not know how to learn the mechanics of a character in a different mode, like say Quick Match or Practice vs AI 3 star, and then take that character into Ranked???

I did exactly that for over 2,300 hours in Paladins; so again, I have no sympathy for you.
Hell in that game I'd start learning a character in bots, and wouldn't even go against humans until I could win without dying consistently. And then I'd only take them into Ranked once I was comfortable with them and their moves were reflexive. I was briefly in the top 13% back in season 3 there because of this methodology.

And that game had 4 roles and a pick-ban system so you had to know a minimum of 12 characters to be sure you always had the needed role.

[im lazy]

Originally posted by Roland:

Originally posted by Jora Invalid:

What are you talking about??
Let's simulate the situation. I found a game, my team had 4 support players and 2 tank players (including me). Matchmaking didn’t give me a dps player on my team and one of the supports (most logical) needs to take someone they don’t play at the proper level because they didn’t have the opportunity to learn it earlier
And now your advice is to troll the game because matchmaking and the lack of role queue decided so?

Do you not know how to learn the mechanics of a character in a different mode, like say Quick Match or Practice vs AI 3 star, and then take that character into Ranked???

I did exactly that for over 2,300 hours in Paladins; so again, I have no sympathy for you.
Hell in that game I'd start learning a character in bots, and wouldn't even go against humans until I could win without dying consistently. And then I'd only take them into Ranked once I was comfortable with them and their moves were reflexive. I was briefly in the top 13% back in season 3 there because of this methodology.

And that game had 4 roles and a pick-ban system so you had to know a minimum of 12 characters to be sure you always had the needed role.

They did just explain a situation that him swapping would actively be detrimental even if he was good at duelist and you just went "well that's a you issue"

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

I just tend to play with friends. We can all pretty much handle whatever role is needed to be filled at any given moment and have no issues adjusting when needed.

[FrostyShock]

Originally posted by Jora Invalid:

Originally posted by Roland:

You shouldn't even be playing Competitive if you can't play all 3 roles and at least 2 characters in each role. If you can't fill the role needed, you do not deserve to rank up, period.
I say this about literally every hero shooter ever.

Cool. And where can I learn to play equally well for a certain rank other than in ranked mode?

git gud, casual is a thing brah

[Roland]

Originally posted by gobber:

Originally posted by Roland:

Do you not know how to learn the mechanics of a character in a different mode, like say Quick Match or Practice vs AI 3 star, and then take that character into Ranked???

I did exactly that for over 2,300 hours in Paladins; so again, I have no sympathy for you.
Hell in that game I'd start learning a character in bots, and wouldn't even go against humans until I could win without dying consistently. And then I'd only take them into Ranked once I was comfortable with them and their moves were reflexive. I was briefly in the top 13% back in season 3 there because of this methodology.

And that game had 4 roles and a pick-ban system so you had to know a minimum of 12 characters to be sure you always had the needed role.

They did just explain a situation that him swapping would actively be detrimental even if he was good at duelist and you just went "well that's a you issue"

Because they shouldn't even have gotten themselves into that situation in the first place. Now they are there, they must deal with it.
It's literally a "them" problem.

[im lazy]

Originally posted by Roland:

Originally posted by gobber:

They did just explain a situation that him swapping would actively be detrimental even if he was good at duelist and you just went "well that's a you issue"

Because they shouldn't even have gotten themselves into that situation in the first place. Now they are there, they must deal with it.
It's literally a "them" problem.

i go into a game where I'm theoretically perfect at all three roles. There's 4 damage, and 1 tank. Even if I went healer, I guarantee you I wouldn't be able to win purely because they're all so divided. Too many squishy targets to heal with just one person. Is it winnable? Possibly. Likely? nope.

[Roland]

Originally posted by FrostyShock:

Originally posted by Jora Invalid:

Cool. And where can I learn to play equally well for a certain rank other than in ranked mode?

git gud, casual is a thing brah

And I recommended 3 star practice because those bots are generally better than most human teams you'd find in Quick Match.

[Jora Invalid]

Originally posted by Roland:

Originally posted by gobber:

They did just explain a situation that him swapping would actively be detrimental even if he was good at duelist and you just went "well that's a you issue"

Because they shouldn't even have gotten themselves into that situation in the first place. Now they are there, they must deal with it.
It's literally a "them" problem.

So are you seriously saying that trying out a character in training or quick play will give you enough skill to play it in platinum+?
There is no way I will get enough experience from these modes, especially quick play, which most people play for fun and there is no comp/teamplay.

Literally every ranked match I’m on the tank, since everyone else is picking dps or supports, often I’m the only tank on the team. Again. Will Quick Play teach me how to play at Platinum+ level? Seriously?

[Roland]

Originally posted by gobber:

Originally posted by Roland:

Because they shouldn't even have gotten themselves into that situation in the first place. Now they are there, they must deal with it.
It's literally a "them" problem.

i go into a game where I'm theoretically perfect at all three roles. There's 4 damage, and 1 tank. Even if I went healer, I guarantee you I wouldn't be able to win purely because they're all so divided. Too many squishy targets to heal with just one person. Is it winnable? Possibly. Likely? nope.

The other day I hit 18k solo healing as Warlock and kept that exact comp combo alive for a victory.
And it was only my 5th match as Warlock.

[Jora Invalid]

Originally posted by FrostyShock:

Originally posted by Jora Invalid:

Cool. And where can I learn to play equally well for a certain rank other than in ranked mode?

git gud, casual is a thing brah

Kid, go out, touch some grass

[FrostyShock]

Originally posted by Jora Invalid:

Originally posted by Roland:

Because they shouldn't even have gotten themselves into that situation in the first place. Now they are there, they must deal with it.
It's literally a "them" problem.

So are you seriously saying that trying out a character in training or quick play will give you enough skill to play it in platinum+?
There is no way I will get enough experience from these modes, especially quick play, which most people play for fun and there is no comp/teamplay.

Literally every ranked match I’m on the tank, since everyone else is picking dps or supports, often I’m the only tank on the team. Again. Will Quick Play teach me how to play at Platinum+ level? Seriously?

you have all the tools and tips here at your disposal buddy, now just git gud bro. all this time complaining about your lack of skill when you could be pushing past your limits