Without role queue game is dead in a couple months...

[Fast]

I dont mind the imbalance
I dont mind the obnoxious one sided map design in some cases
I dont mind the disparity between some heroes and their general use case
I dont mind getting players with the brain capacity of a pigeon

But I cannot abide the arguing over roles every single match. Its a complete time waste and game destroyer that should just not exist.

Let people select roles. problem solved.

Ill be here to say i told you so if they dont add

[Burba]

Role queue is a bad idea. It does not fix the problem. People still will not want to play tank/healer.

[Fast]

Originally posted by Burba:

Role queue is a bad idea. It does not fix the problem. People still will not want to play tank/healer.

i dont agree, I think you pick 2 of the 3 roles, and you get 1 or the other and you play that.

I.e.

You must pick your pref role and a secondary role.
You can get either role. Failing to play the role you are assigned should be bannable.

There arguably should be a 3 hero pref list for each role.
In which the game avoids crossover where possible.

Where there are picks and bans, the hero pref list should be 4 not 3.

[Majestic]

Originally posted by Burba:

Role queue is a bad idea. It does not fix the problem. People still will not want to play tank/healer.

Thats fine, Then they can wait in queue with the 80million other DPS instalockers. I want people in my team that know what the ♥♥♥♥ their doing and are in it to play their role the best they can. Not joe shmoe the Dagger main that decided to come into my game and throw on spider man because they don't want to heal the 5 other people locking in on DPS roles.

[Bleezip]

All role queue does is make DPS players even less flexible. They already suck,we don't need them even less likely to do their job.

[Fast]

Its funny because it works fine in every game where role queue is used, it is a solution that has more positive impact than negative.

All solutions come with caveats, but right now, the alternative is having sometimes all 5 people arguing before the game starts.

And tbh, ill be right, in a few months, people will find it obnoxious and annoying to deal with to the point they stop playing.

the game will die and ill return here to say i told you so.

[Kyo Tanaka]

Originally posted by Majestic:

Originally posted by Burba:

Role queue is a bad idea. It does not fix the problem. People still will not want to play tank/healer.

Thats fine, Then they can wait in queue with the 80million other DPS instalockers. I want people in my team that know what the ♥♥♥♥ their doing and are in it to play their role the best they can.

Still doesn't solve the problem to begin with, they will just que the other 2 roles and play them like DPS, bringing you back to square one. If you've touched Overwatch a single time, you should know very well that this is a problem in of itself.

[Burba]

Originally posted by Majestic:

Originally posted by Burba:

Role queue is a bad idea. It does not fix the problem. People still will not want to play tank/healer.

Thats fine, Then they can wait in queue with the 80million other DPS instalockers. I want people in my team that know what the ♥♥♥♥ their doing and are in it to play their role the best they can. Not joe shmoe the Dagger main that decided to come into my game and throw on spider man because they don't want to heal the 5 other people locking in on DPS roles.

They will just queue tank and play Thor or Venom like it is a dps or queue heals and just play Cloak the whole time. Thats the kinda thing that happened in Overwatch. Ever seen a dps Reinhardt? I have and it does not win many matches let me tell you.

[Axx]

The people thinking this game will thrive without role queue, or role limitations/requirements are delusional. Feel free to Jester award me as much as you want. OW did role queue because they knew it was needed. There are too many insta lock dps players that throw games. I imagine this game being below 100k come summer 2025. By summer 2026, it will be below 50k if they don't add a system for team composition.

[Bleezip]

Role queue comes with problems.

1. It tells a playerbase that a 2v2v2 is the only optimal way to play, which we know isn't the case because we see examples of 3 tanks and two healers, or 3 healers, 1 tank actually work in some ranks.

Limiting creativity and build diversity to try and counter selfish players wont work because 2.

Selfish players will always be selfish and ♥♥♥♥. If you force a selfish DPS locked player who sucks at the game as a tank. They'll just play the game as a selfish, ♥♥♥♥ tank player which is pretending to be DPS.

This doesn't change anything. All you've done is made the illusion that you have a composition that could in theory work.

We have examples of role queue not working in OW. If you want role queue.

[Fast]

Originally posted by Axx:

The people thinking this game will thrive without role queue, or role limitations/requirements are delusional. Feel free to Jester award me as much as you want. OW did role queue because they knew it was needed. There are too many insta lock dps players that throw games. I imagine this game being below 100k come summer 2025. By summer 2026, it will be below 50k if they don't add a system for team composition.

they will be here crying in a few months the game is ded.

[Bleezip]

Originally posted by Fast:

Originally posted by Axx:

The people thinking this game will thrive without role queue, or role limitations/requirements are delusional. Feel free to Jester award me as much as you want. OW did role queue because they knew it was needed. There are too many insta lock dps players that throw games. I imagine this game being below 100k come summer 2025. By summer 2026, it will be below 50k if they don't add a system for team composition.

they will be here crying in a few months the game is ded.

I'd rather freedom of choice over an illusion of the team being composted of a 'balanced' team.

[Plain Zero]

As a tank/healer player, I don't mind the open queue. Quite often, I have to solo tank or solo heal. It is what it is. You just have to work with what you have. The enemy team is in the same position.

[Kyo Tanaka]

Originally posted by Axx:

The people thinking this game will thrive without role queue, or role limitations/requirements are delusional. Feel free to Jester award me as much as you want. OW did role queue because they knew it was needed. There are too many insta lock dps players that throw games. I imagine this game being below 100k come summer 2025. By summer 2026, it will be below 50k if they don't add a system for team composition.

No, Overwatch added role queues because people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about this problem without even thinking of the implications of a role queue would cause.. And with role queues came a ton of problems that should have been seen coming from a mile away, namely character balance. The biggest example of this is the Double Shield meta. If you picked a tank that does not shield like Rein, Sigma, or Orisa, you are actively throwing and that is a reportable offense. And with the double shield meta, that revolves around characters that can actually play with the meta. So Torborn and Symmetra was considered throwing too. Also, did you know that Symmetra was a very solid support character? Not anymore, 2 supports meant that if you aren't healing, you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ your team over, so they had to rework her like, 5+ times before they just gave up and turn her into a DPS.

Get ready to see that in Marvel Rivals the instant role queue becomes a thing. I guarantee you, people will be begging for it to be reverted, because people don't want to be banned for wanting to play Wolverine or Black Widow. This is the outcome you want oh so badly.

Then we saw how well Blizzard handled the aftermath of Role Queue with the introduction of Overwatch 2: Remove a tank and make them overpowered. Double Shield meta is dead. Horray. Season 1 was immediately dominated by Roadhog and his ability to instakill any hero and the only counterplay to that was Ana or not play at all. Oh, but wait, Ana's a SUPPORT... and people that goes on Support typically does not aim very well so they don't touch Ana. Guess what that means? You ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lose with no counterplay. The very thing you tried so hard to prevent with role queues ended up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ happening anyway.

Role queue and the competitive side the biggest reason why Overwatch is in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ state that it is in right now. The only reason Blizzard hasn't done anything about it is because *it's the only hero shooter worth playing*. And the only reason Blizzard's reimplementing 6v6 despite 5v5 being so overwhelmingly negative since the introduction of OW2 and them sticking to their guns on the concept is because *there is now another hero shooter worth playing and it is 6v6*. Blizzard KNOWS they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, that's why they are scrambling to make changes that's been highly requested for literal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ years now. What the ♥♥♥♥ do you think Overwatch Classic was about?

Play the game to have fun, not to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sweat. This game has far bigger concerns than you needing to tell how everyone should play the game they're playing. Namely, BOTS IN QUICK PLAY.

Don't you worry your pretty little head, buddy. If you want role queue, that's fine. I have just the thing for you since you are so insistent upon needing role queues to have fun:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2357570/Overwatch_2/

[Fast]

role queue in overwatch being conflated with weak game updates and poor changes elsewhere is just a weak excuse.

The reality is , in the spirit of fairness, and competitiveness, the game should offer role queue for ranked, and have limitations and requirements. This creates a relatively fair and competent system that stops role related issues generally speaking out the gate.
If people refuse to properly interact with them, they should simply be banned.
If they want more fluid experience play unranked.

The andys not wanting this will be the first to complain when the game falls off because people are tired of dealing with roles before the game even starts.

Overwatch has problems that exceed role queue because the developers are bad, and dont understand how to work the solutions they have and improve them indirectly with other changes.

[ECHellscream]

Originally posted by Fast:

I dont mind the imbalance
I dont mind the obnoxious one sided map design in some cases
I dont mind the disparity between some heroes and their general use case
I dont mind getting players with the brain capacity of a pigeon

But I cannot abide the arguing over roles every single match. Its a complete time waste and game destroyer that should just not exist.

Let people select roles. problem solved.

Definitely won't be dead since it's fun af, but honestly I'd much prefer to have the option for role queue or not. I'm already sick and tired of DPS complaining about, "no heals!!!"....as if they can't just play a healer themselves.