why does this game have a hard on for supports?

[ʙᴇᴘɪꜱ]

Melee DPS, outside of Iron Fist (who only survives because his abilities are broken AF), get slaughtered by support. Getting close puts you in guaranteed headshot range, Luna Snow and Mantis will take you out in 2-3 shots easy. Rocket Raccoon can shred tanks with continued fire. Cloak and Dagger has a reputation for just being Scarlet Witch with healing. And don't get me started on the stuns! Luna Snow and Mantis can put you out of commission for seconds. SECONDS. IN A FAST PACED SHOOTER. I grapple one opponent with my charge as Thor and they can still shoot me. In the face. Which I have presented to them on a platter. But Luna Snow can freeze you still for like 5 whole seconds. Oh, and the Shark Dog can team wipe every other minute.

[Kyutaru]

Because support have actual abilities while duelists seem to only be able to spam damage at things. If spamming damage doesn't work, they're ****ed.

[OMEGA]

luna and mantis ults can help push if you have a bad tank can save your team from every dps ult ever supports are crazy in this game. like tanks are in ow2

[Kernist]

I agree with that. I think healers in this game do too much damage. They are able to make tanks unkillable, therefore in my opinion they should be very vulberable but they are not. That's why generally melee dps (magik, volverine, black panther) are rarely picked except Iron Fist who like you noticed is op as ♥♥♥♥.

[CEO of Cunny]

You have to give healers some way to defend themselves and also some way to have fun or else nobody will play healers. Tanks and certain assassins can demolish healers. If you're getting killed as a tank by Rocket Raccoon, then you're a bad tank. As for stuns, that's necessary because if they didn't have a way to disengage, then assassins like Spider-man or Iron Fist would just be able to annihilate healers the entire game.

Maybe try playing a healer. I regularly play all three roles. Never really liked Thor personally, but I have a friend that's been able to wipe teams with him. At a certain point you've got to realize the game can't be balanced around how you want to play it. They're balancing it so that the healers can also have fun and not need to be constantly babysat or demolished by every assassin and flanker in the game.

[JulienWA77]

evfen then i still think supports are too vulnerable b/c they dont all have a way to easily disengage.

[ʙᴇᴘɪꜱ]

I regularly play Healer. My whole thing is outside of maybe Hawkeye's higher damage or Moon Knight cheese there's no DPS that isn't outclassed by an equivalent support. Why be Hela when i can be Mantis? Why be Scarlet Witch when I can be C&D? And I regularly have to go all DPSupport anyway because when Black Panther charges in nobody else deals with him except the support he's going after. And I'm more than equipped to deal with him in seconds. Then you get called a bad support for dealing with the guy event after you spent the last 30 seconds healing your DPS, waiting for them to take them out.

[Shuyin178]

Because the playerbase has a hard on for DPS characters, it causes a balance with Vanguards too.

[JulienWA77]

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[CEO of Cunny]

Originally posted by ʙᴇᴘɪꜱ:

I regularly play Healer. My whole thing is outside of maybe Hawkeye's higher damage or Moon Knight cheese there's no DPS that isn't outclassed by an equivalent support. Why be Hela when i can be Mantis? Why be Scarlet Witch when I can be C&D? And I regularly have to go all DPSupport anyway because when Black Panther charges in nobody else deals with him except the support he's going after. And I'm more than equipped to deal with him in seconds. Then you get called a bad support for dealing with the guy event after you spent the last 30 seconds healing your DPS, waiting for them to take them out.

If you're getting out-DPs'd by someone who's job is also to keep the team alive then you have to ask yourself why you're doing less damage than them. More than likely you're just a bad player.

If I play DPS and I lose to a healer in damage, I realize that I'm likely bad at that character. Even on tanks I do more damage than healers. Unless you're playing with those annoying healers that don't heal and just DPS, then you shouldn't be losing to them. Their main job is to keep the team up. Most healers lose a lot of DPS while focusing on this. If you, as a DPS who's sole job is to DPS is losing to a healer, you're just bad at DPS.

[You'reJustBad]

Originally posted by CEO of Cunny:

You have to give healers some way to defend themselves and also some way to have fun or else nobody will play healers. Tanks and certain assassins can demolish healers. If you're getting killed as a tank by Rocket Raccoon, then you're a bad tank. As for stuns, that's necessary because if they didn't have a way to disengage, then assassins like Spider-man or Iron Fist would just be able to annihilate healers the entire game.

Maybe try playing a healer. I regularly play all three roles. Never really liked Thor personally, but I have a friend that's been able to wipe teams with him. At a certain point you've got to realize the game can't be balanced around how you want to play it. They're balancing it so that the healers can also have fun and not need to be constantly babysat or demolished by every assassin and flanker in the game.

exactly this... the whole reason OW died, is because they made healers just flanker food... and without the healers the tanks couldn't make space...

then they took away one tank, so they couldn't peel for their healers

so the healers couldn't defend themselves, and.. they removed the healers body guard... all because whinging DPS kept complaining that they couldn't just delete whatever they looked at...

and then you ended up with whatever OW2 is...

this game is thankfully different, and it is actually fun playing all of the roles...

i love playing jeff and C&D as healers, Cap A and Strange are my tanks, and SG/Magic/Iron fist are my dps picks

all fun roles

My favorite thing to do, is steam in there as CAP and molest their C&D and Luna so they can't heal their team because they HAVE! to focus on me... im not gonna kill them (i rarely do) but i distract them enough for my team to take advantage of the lack of heals

Also nothing is more fun than reflecting Luna's Freeze at her with caps shield x-D

[Shifue]

Well considering their design choice the "supports" are not always true supports and many of the classes blur the lines. while it's kinda fresh. It does not help in team comp sometimes. Loki is not really a healer and for the most part neither is rocket they can do some yes but it's abysmal compared to jeff and dagger. Mantis and luna are there in the middle of it being decent while not godlike at healing. When it comes to damage thought loki and rocket are heavier in damage. Then luna, mantis and jeff with cloak and dagger just being horrible.

[Yoduh]

Luna can really only kill a DPS 1 on 1 if they're using Ice Arts (shift key ability). It has insanely generous hitbox so is easy to destroy people with. How to counter? Bait or just wait for Luna to use Ice Arts THEN dive her. If you're against Luna and she's using Ice Arts, just run away for 6 seconds. You don't need win every single engagement... A lot of players would become so much better if they simply learned when to run away.

[DaddyEcho69]

Excuse me, we're strategists not support.

[Lion Bird Plate Plate Feather Fe]

Originally posted by Yoduh:

Luna can really only kill a DPS 1 on 1 if they're using Ice Arts (shift key ability). It has insanely generous hitbox so is easy to destroy people with. How to counter? Bait or just wait for Luna to use Ice Arts THEN dive her. If you're against Luna and she's using Ice Arts, just run away for 6 seconds. You don't need win every single engagement... A lot of players would become so much better if they simply learned when to run away.

THIS! Chasing after someone while ignoring everyone and everything else is called 'tunneling'. The stat is either good or bad, but in most cases, especially if the target can fight back proficiently or has at least another player to support them, its definitely bad if you are currently having your health deleted by more burst than you are getting heals. Knowing when to give up and run away is a core basic in staying alive and saving your team precious time. A VERY IMPORTANT tactical decision for divers.

[DaddyEcho69]

Originally posted by Lion Bird Plate Plate Feather Fe:

Originally posted by Yoduh:

Luna can really only kill a DPS 1 on 1 if they're using Ice Arts (shift key ability). It has insanely generous hitbox so is easy to destroy people with. How to counter? Bait or just wait for Luna to use Ice Arts THEN dive her. If you're against Luna and she's using Ice Arts, just run away for 6 seconds. You don't need win every single engagement... A lot of players would become so much better if they simply learned when to run away.

THIS! Chasing after someone while ignoring everyone and everything else is called 'tunneling'. The stat is either good or bad, but in most cases, especially if the target can fight back proficiently or has at least another player to support them, its definitely bad if you are currently having your health deleted by more burst than you are getting heals. Knowing when to give up and run away is a core basic in staying alive and saving your team precious time. A VERY IMPORTANT tactical decision for divers.

Yep, as a Luna main I like it when DPS tries to take me on solo without anyone around. If I use my shift ability and freeze you, you don't really stand a chance. Heck even some tanks die to that combo if I can hit my headshots. xD

The only DPS I try to steer clear of is Hawkeye.