Rivals SERIOUSLY needs placement matches

[TXGamer]

The competitive method you all have is not working. Putting EVERYONE in bronze and having them work their way up is not at all a good idea. This royally screws all of the bronze, silver and gold players, as people who are masters and GM level players have to start there and work their way up.

Continuing to do this means you will never really have any competitive gameplay at the low level and you screw all of those who are not very good at the game by always allowing them to be rofl-stomped every single match.

This is NOT a good thing you guys, and you are hurting your lower level player base at the expense of your higher level player base.

[id795078477]

When everybody has no ranks and no MMR, how would you initially match players, and more importantly - decide who lands where?

You have nothing to start with, so even if someone wins 10/10 placements - so what, maybe they were placed against teams of absolute bottom tier players (remember, you have no way of knowing those are "bottom tier" since they too yet don't have any MMR defined).

OW didn't suffer from it back then because they launched ranked after some time and the MMR was already somewhat known. And still OW1's first ranked season was an utter clown show in terms of MMR disparity and match balance.

I think MR will improve in the future - but right now they don't have the data. And if I'm being honest, I think they've bet their chips correctly by not over-investing into ranked mode since it's a mode for a minority of players to engage with.

I think NetEase didn't expect the level of success MR has and now that they see it, they have reasons to invest more. Maybe into ranked improvements.

[TXGamer]

Publicado originalmente por id795078477:

When everybody has no ranks and no MMR, how would you initially match players, and more importantly - decide who lands where?

You have nothing to start with, so even if someone wins 10/10 placements - so what, maybe they were placed against teams of absolute bottom tier players (remember, you have no way of knowing those are "bottom tier" since they too yet don't have any MMR defined).

OW didn't suffer from it back then because they launched ranked after some time and the MMR was already somewhat known. And still OW1's first ranked season was an utter clown show in terms of MMR disparity and match balance.

I think MR will improve in the future - but right now they don't have the data. And if I'm being honest, I think they've bet their chips correctly by not over-investing into ranked mode since it's a mode for a minority of players to engage with.

I think NetEase didn't expect the level of success MR has and now that they see it, they have reasons to invest more. Maybe into ranked improvements.

this is a good point, but, a series of placement matches can assess skill easier than this random dumping of players in bronze. As you play your placement matches, you get rated, and at the end, it's going to put you somewhere along the scale between the lowest and the highest, and then you progress up or down from there. It's better than dumping the entire competitive population off in bronze and making that rank just a throw away rank for masters players on their way up.

Publicado originalmente por CLUTCH:

Placement matches prove absolutely nothing but ok.

i think they are more valuable than not having them.

[Mitrovarr]

Publicado originalmente por id795078477:

When everybody has no ranks and no MMR, how would you initially match players, and more importantly - decide who lands where?

Placement matches. That's literally the entire point of them.

The Overwatch method was to use your qp MMR to determine who you were kind of in the general vicinity of, and then your placement matches were against other people who were placing and had similar MMR. Eventually it'd try to put you on teams that were mostly normal players and see how you did. It was a pretty good system.

Working your way up from bronze is bad because that means your legit bronze players get barraged with much better people doing their placements, so it ruins comp for them. Also, it can be hard to place supports and tanks. How are you going to assess how a gold, I dunno, Mantis is if the other team's got a Diamond Hawkeye?

[Hydro Thunderer]

IDK bro, placement matches create an artificial bell-curve that has to be managed by those in charge of online interactions and matchmaking (SEE: CSGO, LOL, SIEGE, OVERWATCH). I don't think it has ever worked in favor of the player. The only people I can see who would benefit from placement matches would be solo q pubstars that want the next shiny badge without consistent effort.

[SavRoyale]

Publicado originalmente por TXGamer:

The competitive method you all have is not working. Putting EVERYONE in bronze and having them work their way up is not at all a good idea. This royally screws all of the bronze, silver and gold players, as people who are masters and GM level players have to start there and work their way up.

Continuing to do this means you will never really have any competitive gameplay at the low level and you screw all of those who are not very good at the game by always allowing them to be rofl-stomped every single match.

This is NOT a good thing you guys, and you are hurting your lower level player base at the expense of your higher level player base.

Placement Matches don't work either. If you loose 10 Rounds you get placed in Silver, if you win 10 Rounds you get placed in Platin. In the End you have the same Matchup as in Rivals. Ranked Playlists needs their time to evolve.

I would also love too see Placement Matches because working up from Bronze is a Pain but it seriously wouldn't be much of a difference.

[Mitrovarr]

Placement matches always seemed to work great for me in OW. I always placed within a rank of where I actually belonged.

[EmperorVolo]

Screw that make everyone work for it. People getting a push up often don't deserve it.

[Hex: Agon]

Publicado originalmente por TXGamer:

The competitive method you all have is not working. Putting EVERYONE in bronze and having them work their way up is not at all a good idea. This royally screws all of the bronze, silver and gold players, as people who are masters and GM level players have to start there and work their way up.

Continuing to do this means you will never really have any competitive gameplay at the low level and you screw all of those who are not very good at the game by always allowing them to be rofl-stomped every single match.

This is NOT a good thing you guys, and you are hurting your lower level player base at the expense of your higher level player base.

play overwatch

[Salami.]

facts. im sick of getting queued with carried diamonds who still dont know how the game works. placement matches at least gives the player an idea of where they are

[EmperorVolo]

I like this way more than fake boosts in a "placement" match.

[SQLOwns]

it really is the most lazy MM method out there. but what do you expect from these devs.

[Sonrangeri]

I actually liked CS:go ranking placements system a lot. They limited it to 2 matches per day, and adjusted MM every day, until you had played 10 matches. You got your initial rank after 10 matches, and smurfs couldn't simply stomp every day, making money by streaming it every day, while ruining game for others.

[Floopyh]

The ranking system is in desperate need of a rework, you can literally climb to diamond with a negative winrate and this makes diamond super inflated thus made bronze and diamond the two "elo hell" rank

[Syrin]

Publicado originalmente por Mitrovarr:

Publicado originalmente por id795078477:

When everybody has no ranks and no MMR, how would you initially match players, and more importantly - decide who lands where?

Placement matches. That's literally the entire point of them.

The Overwatch method was to use your qp MMR to determine who you were kind of in the general vicinity of, and then your placement matches were against other people who were placing and had similar MMR. Eventually it'd try to put you on teams that were mostly normal players and see how you did. It was a pretty good system.

Working your way up from bronze is bad because that means your legit bronze players get barraged with much better people doing their placements, so it ruins comp for them. Also, it can be hard to place supports and tanks. How are you going to assess how a gold, I dunno, Mantis is if the other team's got a Diamond Hawkeye?

Dude, you are being intellectually dishonest. Some matches you'll get rolled, some you'll get carried. Furthermore, the OW placement matches are the stuff of legend for how NOT to do something. Grandmasters going 10-0 and being tossed in high silver.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

I honestly don't see as much of the benefit from it. Maybe if it were more of a free for all thing perhaps...