Duelists Are Constantly Blamed and Insulted Far More Than Any Other Role

[Borko]

There is a ton of Duelist hate going around and it's just not fair.
The blame for matches is most of the time pinned on them.

I mostly play Strategist, but sometimes I just want to play someone like Punisher or Star Lord.

I am frequently called "trash" by Vanguards and Strategists. I'm not playing horribly (usually), I'm not throwing, I'm not letting the Strategists die over and over, but no matter what if I type anything in chat or sometimes just don't play like some perfect god of gaming, I'll get insults thrown my way.

I very commonly see things like "why is damage not doing anything. hello??" and "can damage kill????" even if I just got a double kill.
If I try and clap back with something like "it would be easier if Jeff wasn't frontlining and would heal his team" they'll just throw out a "maybe you should get some kills then, ur trash" and the other Strategists and Vanguards will ALWAYS side with them.

Strategists purposely ignore their Duelists many times because they hate them for some reason, even if I'm doing my absolute best to protect them I usually get nothing even if I'm right there beside them. They'll just ignore me.
Sometimes I'll ask why I'm being ignored and why they won't heal me, and they'll just start throwing insults my way about how I'm garbage or whatever and "maybe if you started getting kills I'd heal you". There has been several times I've had a Strategist flat out admit they're ignoring me on purpose because they think I suck.

Even if I was garbage, purposely ignoring your teammates and refusing to heal them DOES NOT WIN YOU GAMES. It LOSES you games, EVERY time. I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand this.
You hate Duelists? Fine, but don't punish them all by letting them die.

When I play Vanguard or Strategist, even if I legitimately am doing AWFUL, I almost never get blamed or have insults thrown my way. I never see a "worst magneto I've ever seen" and "swap off cap ur trash".

Even If I start the match as Strategist and then the next round go Duelist, they'll start calling me trash.

It's really getting ridiculous.
Yes, sometimes there are too many people that want to play Duelist, and you'll get 4 Duelists in a match who don't want to play anything else and you will lose.

This does not mean every single Duelist player in the game deserves your hatred.

Edit: A lot people here thinking I'm an "insta-lock duelist main" and not reading 99% of the post, pretty much just the title.

[LunarisRuin]

Simpie Senpai の投稿を引用：

BECAUSE YOU AUTO LOCK A ROLE AND DO NOTHING. 70% of the ranked games in gold the tanks out perform the DPS in every single way. You play roles that make zero impact on games and have no understanding of why everyone in every single match you play is annoyed with you.

Did you read the beginning of the post? They're a Strategist main, they just wanna play some dps once in awhile.

[Simpie Senpai]

LunarisRuin の投稿を引用：

Simpie Senpai の投稿を引用：

BECAUSE YOU AUTO LOCK A ROLE AND DO NOTHING. 70% of the ranked games in gold the tanks out perform the DPS in every single way. You play roles that make zero impact on games and have no understanding of why everyone in every single match you play is annoyed with you.

Did you read the beginning of the post? They're a Strategist main, they just wanna play some dps once in awhile.

"Duelists Are Constantly Blamed and Insulted Far More Than Any Other Role
There is a ton of Duelist hate going around and it's just not fair.
The blame for matches is most of the time pinned on them."

This isn’t about ‘random incursions’; it’s about accountability. If you want to play Duelist ‘once in a while,’ fine. But don’t expect patience when you make zero impact while others carry the weight.

Reading and actually staying on topic are clearly two different skills—ones the OP seems to lack entirely. If their focus is this scattered in a simple forum thread, I can only imagine how useless they are under actual in-game stress. No wonder their matches turn into a ‘pity me’ circus. It’s not hate; it’s just calling out the obvious: lack of attention, lack of focus, and a whole lot of excuses.

[Akasha]

I simply can't see it, when I can out preform average dps as a healer or tank as far as raw numbers on the board. DPS puts up mostly 1 role of numbers on the board and pass or fail because of it.

[Star-Platinum]

Idk why people love to play with randoms rank games, the game has 20 million players, make friends and join on discord and play togather as adults with clear plan and strategies. all games have trash talk between random team mates.
You could always play on quick play and make over there then join rank matches, if you can't handle sweats trash talks.

[Borko]

tongii の投稿を引用：

The reason is that you guys REFUSE to switch out when obviously we need other roles.

I will switch if I think it's needed, typically to Strategist. I won't play Duelist when there's only 1 Strategist and nobody else will play the other, I'll pick Strategist.

I'm just saying that the times that I do play Duelist, people are very quick to blame me and the other Duelist. Things not dying isn't always 100% the Duelist's fault.

A lot of the time I'm not able to kill anything because our Vanguards aren't protecting us and are instead rushing off away from the team, or the Strategists are not healing me and are instead doing damage, so I can't stay up in teamfights and just fall apart and have to run away to get a healthpack or die.

But no, people just see "the enemy team isn't dying much, must be because our Duelists are TRASH".

[Borko]

Simpie Senpai の投稿を引用：

LunarisRuin の投稿を引用：

Did you read the beginning of the post? They're a Strategist main, they just wanna play some dps once in awhile.

"Duelists Are Constantly Blamed and Insulted Far More Than Any Other Role
There is a ton of Duelist hate going around and it's just not fair.
The blame for matches is most of the time pinned on them."

This isn’t about ‘random incursions’; it’s about accountability. If you want to play Duelist ‘once in a while,’ fine. But don’t expect patience when you make zero impact while others carry the weight.

Reading and actually staying on topic are clearly two different skills—ones the OP seems to lack entirely. If their focus is this scattered in a simple forum thread, I can only imagine how useless they are under actual in-game stress. No wonder their matches turn into a ‘pity me’ circus. It’s not hate; it’s just calling out the obvious: lack of attention, lack of focus, and a whole lot of excuses.

What the hell are you actually talking about? Are you chasing ghosts?

[Borko]

LunarisRuin の投稿を引用：

Simpie Senpai の投稿を引用：

BECAUSE YOU AUTO LOCK A ROLE AND DO NOTHING. 70% of the ranked games in gold the tanks out perform the DPS in every single way. You play roles that make zero impact on games and have no understanding of why everyone in every single match you play is annoyed with you.

Did you read the beginning of the post? They're a Strategist main, they just wanna play some dps once in awhile.

I don't think they read anything at all. They're acting like I'm a Duelist main and talking like I've been in the comments fighting with everyone, except I only just now started posting in the replies?

[Simpie Senpai]

Borko の投稿を引用：

Simpie Senpai の投稿を引用：

"Duelists Are Constantly Blamed and Insulted Far More Than Any Other Role
There is a ton of Duelist hate going around and it's just not fair.
The blame for matches is most of the time pinned on them."

This isn’t about ‘random incursions’; it’s about accountability. If you want to play Duelist ‘once in a while,’ fine. But don’t expect patience when you make zero impact while others carry the weight.

Reading and actually staying on topic are clearly two different skills—ones the OP seems to lack entirely. If their focus is this scattered in a simple forum thread, I can only imagine how useless they are under actual in-game stress. No wonder their matches turn into a ‘pity me’ circus. It’s not hate; it’s just calling out the obvious: lack of attention, lack of focus, and a whole lot of excuses.

What the hell are you actually talking about? Are you chasing ghosts?

Oh, I’m sorry, didn’t realize I needed to dumb it down. Seems like you’re the one chasing ghosts here—grasping at nonsense and acting like it’s a grand revelation. Maybe stop projecting and figure out what you’re actually talking about first.

[LunarisRuin]

[Akasha]

Borko の投稿を引用：

tongii の投稿を引用：

The reason is that you guys REFUSE to switch out when obviously we need other roles.

I will switch if I think it's needed, typically to Strategist. I won't play Duelist when there's only 1 Strategist and nobody else will play the other, I'll pick Strategist.

I'm just saying that the times that I do play Strategist, people are very quick to blame me and the other Duelist. Things not dying isn't always 100% the Duelist's fault.

A lot of the time I'm not able to kill anything because our Vanguards aren't protecting us and are instead rushing off away from the team, or the Strategists are not healing me and are instead doing damage, so I can't stay up in teamfights and just fall apart and have to run away to get a healthpack or die.

But no, people just see "the enemy team isn't dying much, must be because our Duelists are TRASH".

I can standby that statement, strats get dove no one does anything about so the strat has to survive and probably kill the diver as the vanguard and the duelist (and probably the strat in a few cases) are tunneling looking forward which means less heals for both and if your a duelist that only does damage with zero escapes or CC just pressure then yeah a good team will turn on you CC ya and remove you. If it keeps happening the strat is of course gonna focus on doing damage to ward off their attacker consistantly.

[Borko]

Simpie Senpai の投稿を引用：

Borko の投稿を引用：

What the hell are you actually talking about? Are you chasing ghosts?

Oh, I’m sorry, didn’t realize I needed to dumb it down. Seems like you’re the one chasing ghosts here—grasping at nonsense and acting like it’s a grand revelation. Maybe stop projecting and figure out what you’re actually talking about first.

I think you're the one who needs to figure out what they're talking about first. You started off saying I "autolock" the duelist role and do nothing, which means you didn't read the part where I said I mostly play Strategist and only sometimes just really want to play Duelist.

You have absolutely zero reading comprehension. You make a completely false statement and then stick to it for some reason and start spewing out even more falsehoods.
You then go on to repeatedly insult me and call me useless and other things when you know absolutely NOTHING about how I play in-game AT ALL.

Baseless accusations all around. I will not be humoring you with any more responses.

[LunarisRuin]

Cue popcorn

[Borko]

Akasha の投稿を引用：

Borko の投稿を引用：

I will switch if I think it's needed, typically to Strategist. I won't play Duelist when there's only 1 Strategist and nobody else will play the other, I'll pick Strategist.

I'm just saying that the times that I do play Strategist, people are very quick to blame me and the other Duelist. Things not dying isn't always 100% the Duelist's fault.

A lot of the time I'm not able to kill anything because our Vanguards aren't protecting us and are instead rushing off away from the team, or the Strategists are not healing me and are instead doing damage, so I can't stay up in teamfights and just fall apart and have to run away to get a healthpack or die.

But no, people just see "the enemy team isn't dying much, must be because our Duelists are TRASH".

I can standby that statement, strats get dove no one does anything about so the strat has to survive and probably kill the diver as the vanguard and the duelist (and probably the strat in a few cases) are tunneling looking forward which means less heals for both and if your a duelist that only does damage with zero escapes or CC just pressure then yeah a good team will turn on you CC ya and remove you. If it keeps happening the strat is of course gonna focus on doing damage to ward off their attacker consistantly.

I do my best to defend Strategists when I play Vanguard or Duelist, but I'm not perfect. I can't always do something about ridiculous characters like Spider Man and Iron Fist. I'll try though.

I will actually swap to Mantis a lot to deal with Iron Fist because her sleep just utterly wrecks him.

[Simpie Senpai]

Borko の投稿を引用：

Simpie Senpai の投稿を引用：

Oh, I’m sorry, didn’t realize I needed to dumb it down. Seems like you’re the one chasing ghosts here—grasping at nonsense and acting like it’s a grand revelation. Maybe stop projecting and figure out what you’re actually talking about first.

I think you're the one who needs to figure out what they're talking about first. You started off saying I "autolock" the duelist role and do nothing, which means you didn't read the part where I said I mostly play Strategist and only sometimes just really want to play Duelist.

You have absolutely zero reading comprehension. You make a completely false statement and then stick to it for some reason and start spewing out even more falsehoods.
You then go on to repeatedly insult me and call me useless and other things when you know absolutely NOTHING about how I play in-game AT ALL.

Baseless accusations all around. I will not be humoring you with any more responses.

I actually know a lot about you just from the mess that is your inability to write a coherent argument. Being able to read cues and derive information from basic statements, context, and even word choice are directly related skills—ones you clearly struggle with. Let’s break this down, since you seem to need help connecting the dots:

You complain about being insulted and blamed as a Duelist, yet openly admit to switching roles mid-match. That’s a red flag in itself—role-switching often disrupts team dynamics, which might explain why people get frustrated with you.

You accuse others of not reading your post, yet you completely contradict yourself within it. First, it’s “I mostly play Strategist, but sometimes I just want to play Duelist,” but later it’s “even if I was garbage, they shouldn’t punish Duelists by letting them die.” So which is it? Are you a competent Duelist, or are you flopping so badly that you’re being ignored on purpose?

You claim to do “your absolute best” to protect Strategists, but then admit that you clap back at them in chat. Maybe instead of popping off with snark, you should focus on gameplay. Blaming others mid-match doesn’t inspire teamwork—it destroys it.

You argue that Duelists are unfairly hated, yet acknowledge that many players insta-lock Duelists without considering team balance. That widespread behavior is why people are skeptical of you, not some conspiracy against Duelists.

You talk about not being healed or supported, but conveniently leave out what you’re doing during these moments. Are you out of position? Are you overextending without support? Based on your defensive tone and unwillingness to reflect, I’d bet the answer is yes.

The lack of accountability in your rant is telling. You’re not being unfairly targeted because you play Duelist sometimes; you’re being called out because you seem to bring unnecessary drama and excuses wherever you go. Instead of blaming everyone else, maybe take a step back and figure out why this ‘pattern’ keeps following you.

[Sylphie Fioré]

Akasha の投稿を引用：

Renée Renard の投稿を引用：

I hope you didn't mean duelist because that is the easiest role by far.

Duelist is the hardest role because it's a direct performance check than just standing front lines and soaking and shielding with some tanks able to CC and a healer just healing friendly way in front of her with the only push back is being a diver or bad positioning that gets you sniped. It's also why the other two roles can also do a duelist role.

A focus on damaging and killing with the only care for awareness usually being that of yourself and the other team unless I get the rare dps that isn't so hungry for kills they would turn around to help me. Meanwhile a healer has to care for 5 other people, constantly making sure teammates are healed all the while looking out for things like ankhs or traps and then also has to deal with constant dive attacks from various enemy numbers and above all has to survive so everyone else can. The needed awareness is a major difference and the harassment of the enemy in a competent game is a ton.

There are quite a lot of characters that are duelist and often are easy to use and output a lot of dps, they also aren't doing anything spectacular and hard like say a spiderman is. Point and shoot for the most part. Tanks have a lot on their plate if they are playing to the role as well, juggling the protection of teammates and the dealing with the enemy whilst trying to stay alive.

There are 6/7 duelists I'd say that are more tricky to use while there is 12/13 much more straightforward and/or easy. Doesn't change the fact that they have a lot less to worry about. So while duelists are focusing on enemies I'm having to keep health topped up with various obstacles such as everyone's frantic meth addicted movement, I have to constantly shift about to deal with such and sometimes I can't even worry about my own safety at times since other people's positioning and oh no now i'm in an ankh *death*, I have to use all the resources at my disposal almost always because people ignore or miss the mechanics of whatever character I pick (leaving me at a severe disadvantage when dived), I have to keep tabs of all teammates and my surroundings at all times, then I have to fend off attackers from the front possibly and others from the side or back. All of that while carefully managing the resources I have to better suit the team and its survival.

No its not just sit back and heal bot people and tanking isn't just soaking up damage. Duelists for the most part have a lot of mobility, are smaller and aren't constant focus targets of the other team. That makes things easier by a mile.