Duelists Are Constantly Blamed and Insulted Far More Than Any Other Role

[Borko]

There is a ton of Duelist hate going around and it's just not fair.
The blame for matches is most of the time pinned on them.

I mostly play Strategist, but sometimes I just want to play someone like Punisher or Star Lord.

I am frequently called "trash" by Vanguards and Strategists. I'm not playing horribly (usually), I'm not throwing, I'm not letting the Strategists die over and over, but no matter what if I type anything in chat or sometimes just don't play like some perfect god of gaming, I'll get insults thrown my way.

I very commonly see things like "why is damage not doing anything. hello??" and "can damage kill????" even if I just got a double kill.
If I try and clap back with something like "it would be easier if Jeff wasn't frontlining and would heal his team" they'll just throw out a "maybe you should get some kills then, ur trash" and the other Strategists and Vanguards will ALWAYS side with them.

Strategists purposely ignore their Duelists many times because they hate them for some reason, even if I'm doing my absolute best to protect them I usually get nothing even if I'm right there beside them. They'll just ignore me.
Sometimes I'll ask why I'm being ignored and why they won't heal me, and they'll just start throwing insults my way about how I'm garbage or whatever and "maybe if you started getting kills I'd heal you". There has been several times I've had a Strategist flat out admit they're ignoring me on purpose because they think I suck.

Even if I was garbage, purposely ignoring your teammates and refusing to heal them DOES NOT WIN YOU GAMES. It LOSES you games, EVERY time. I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand this.
You hate Duelists? Fine, but don't punish them all by letting them die.

When I play Vanguard or Strategist, even if I legitimately am doing AWFUL, I almost never get blamed or have insults thrown my way. I never see a "worst magneto I've ever seen" and "swap off cap ur trash".

Even If I start the match as Strategist and then the next round go Duelist, they'll start calling me trash.

It's really getting ridiculous.
Yes, sometimes there are too many people that want to play Duelist, and you'll get 4 Duelists in a match who don't want to play anything else and you will lose.

This does not mean every single Duelist player in the game deserves your hatred.

Edit: A lot people here thinking I'm an "insta-lock duelist main" and not reading 99% of the post, pretty much just the title.

[Roland]

I reserve all of my hatred for healers that do not heal

[Mewsha]

It's the playmaker role. They're often divers that should focus high priority targets. If you're not focusing high priority targets, then yeah that's going to annoy teammates, especially if the enemy duelists are focusing high priority targets. Nothing we can really do if they're not breaking the rules, turn chat off or play something else if you can't handle that pressure.

It's really hard to do poorly as Vanguard, and doing poorly as most Strategists amounts to just sitting back and mindlessly healing, which low ELO players who don't understand the game will praise even though most Strategists in this game are rewarded for dealing damage and should be peeling for the team rather than just sitting back like an old school Mercy main from Overwatch.

[ele]

If the right people aren't dying then yes, there's no damage.

[Monkey P DOOFY]

If you really want to see whats wrong its not difficult. Just go into your replays and spectate the person with the highest death count. That will usually tell you exactly what is going on. People are kind of treating this like its not Overwatch but lets be honest the game revolves a lot around ultimates. So if you or your teammates are just turbo dying off cooldown it has multiple ramifications:
1. You don't build any ult charge while dead and your team is at a disadvantage
2. You take about 25-30 seconds to fully come back and group up with your team. So it runs down the timer.
3. You give the enemy team more free reign to be aggressive.

It is literally the same as overwatch in the aspect that if you want to dramatically improve that all you have to do is work on dying less.

Now that being said, there is something to be said about your team composition. If you have duelists that auto lock things like Psylocke/Magik/IronFist/Spiderman/BP you are essentially leaving your teams tanks to completely deal with any deployables (Groot walls/Penni nest/Namoor turrents/Moon knight Ankhs/etc.). I have seen a lot of people play like that and then wonder why their tanks have an issue holding a front line. I'll say the most annoying thing is not having any ranged DPS to help secure kills on people who get low and try to run.

Like I fill whatever my team needs but I can definitely tell when a DPS isn't carrying their weight. The worst ones are definitely Psylocke mains. They just miss like 85% of their shots then dash off and stealth. You don't notice they even exist on the map until they ult because they can't do the combo to actually kill people. She requires actual map knowledge and positioning which most of the people who pick her just straight up do not have right now lol.

Idk, I usually don't type anything in chat unless people make a really dumb or questionable decision and I have to hit them with the "u good homie?". Like someone ulting when we clearly lost a fight already or something.

[tongii]

The reason is that you guys REFUSE to switch out when obviously we need other roles. Like y’all would rather rage quit than switch. I won’t be hating so much if the 4-5 duelists we always have are absolute wrecking but most of the games yall aren’t because this ain’t CoD.

The other night I was playing, we had 1-3-2 and we weren’t going anywhere because our one tank can’t push against 2 tanks. Time was running out so finally I said ♥♥♥♥ this and switched off support and went Cap and helped dive the backline and we won. Like, wtf. Why can’t one of yall dps just switch out for a change!??

[Akasha]

When you quick pick the hardest role to play and under perform of course people are gonna be jealous and say something, they wanted to play your role and you just over extend trying to duel a team that's actually doing teamwork so you get obliterated demanding more attention if not full focused healing and cooldowns.

[LunarisRuin]

I see some hate thrown at dps players, but nothing crazy. Mostly just "swap off duelist if you can't dps" and then said person will swap to duelist.

For me, I mostly see strategist hate. People whining and complaining about not getting healed, spamming the "I need healing!" ping and raging in chat or on comms.

It's sad, yet funny, because half the time when I see this kind of rage at supports they're already dead waiting for the respawn timer. Some 2 braincell vanguard or duelist will run in and try to 1v5 and spam "I need healing!" several times, not realizing our supports (and the rest of the team is dead), before going "wow this team is trash!!!!!!!" or "where tf are the heals!!!!! garbage supports!! im out" and they then afk at spawn or just straight up d/c. (edit: my example is from ranked matches. see this kind of behavior all the time in comp.)

[Haruspex]

There's also the matter of refusing to change despite your team begging you to. It's not a spider man game so go adjust. Keep in mind those people blaming dps wants to play dps as well but is forced to play ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ vanguard and strategist every game because chumps have main protagonist syndrome and can't perform as well as the enemy hela or hawkeye. I think I played 10 match as support and tank last night and I'm gonna sit the entire match watching the dps get steam rolled by Mantis.

[LunarisRuin]

Originally posted by Jester:

There's also the matter of refusing to change despite your team begging you to. It's not a spider man game so go adjust. Keep in mind those people blaming dps wants to play dps as well but is forced to play ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ vanguard and strategist every game because chumps have main protagonist syndrome and can't perform as well as the enemy hela or hawkeye. I think I played 10 match as support and tank last night and I'm gonna sit the entire match watching the dps get steam rolled by Mantis.

Tbf Mantis hits pretty hard, she may as well be a duelist that can heal others lol .. a lot of the supports actually do respectable damage. Which I like about this game.

[adobo]

Originally posted by LunarisRuin:

Tbf Mantis hits pretty hard, she may as well be a duelist that can heal others lol .. a lot of the supports actually do respectable damage. Which I like about this game.

I often see the support do more damage then the 4 duelist. Mostly because they actually have self healing so they can actually last longer and do damage.

[Sylphie Fioré]

Originally posted by Akasha:

When you quick pick the hardest role to play and under perform of course people are gonna be jealous and say something, they wanted to play your role and you just over extend trying to duel a team that's actually doing teamwork so you get obliterated demanding more attention if not full focused healing and cooldowns.

I hope you didn't mean duelist because that is the easiest role by far.

[Akasha]

Originally posted by adobo:

Originally posted by LunarisRuin:

Tbf Mantis hits pretty hard, she may as well be a duelist that can heal others lol .. a lot of the supports actually do respectable damage. Which I like about this game.

I often see the support do more damage then the 4 duelist. Mostly because they actually have self healing so they can actually last longer and do damage.

I would say bad duelist then, even when I out kill and out assist duelist, my damage is still about half theirs to 2/3rds theirs. Most strategist can do both, but I guess if the strategist just refuses to heal anyone but themselves I guess it could skew the numbers but whats gonna die.

[Akasha]

Originally posted by Renée Renard:

Originally posted by Akasha:

When you quick pick the hardest role to play and under perform of course people are gonna be jealous and say something, they wanted to play your role and you just over extend trying to duel a team that's actually doing teamwork so you get obliterated demanding more attention if not full focused healing and cooldowns.

I hope you didn't mean duelist because that is the easiest role by far.

Duelist is the hardest role because it's a direct performance check than just standing front lines and soaking and shielding with some tanks able to CC and a healer just healing friendly way in front of her with the only push back is being a diver or bad positioning that gets you sniped. It's also why the other two roles can also do a duelist role.

[LunarisRuin]

Personally I think Duelist is the easiest. Healing and tanking need you to think on your feet, always be aware, think of your positioning, your attention is always split among everything (among many other things, like knowing how to effectively pop cooldowns on your team [like magnetos shield for example].) Duelists just have to worry about flanking to take out squishies and some positioning and that's it.

For me I'd say Vanguard and Strategist are the true skill checks, without them Duelists are nothing.

[Simpie Senpai]

BECAUSE YOU AUTO LOCK A ROLE AND DO NOTHING. 70% of the ranked games in gold the tanks out perform the DPS in every single way. You play roles that make zero impact on games and have no understanding of why everyone in every single match you play is annoyed with you.