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Kernist 18 dec, 2024 @ 9:34
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Bots in quick play MEGATHREAD - videos, screenshots and replays
You know it, the feeling when you lose 2 games in a row, jump into another game in quick play and then you see enemies walking towards you, not using any abilities. If you refuse to attack, they will use basic attack on you after 2 seconds of circling around you and if you are close to dying they will start missing all of their shots, meanwhile bots on your team (sometimes they are real people suffering with you) are superior.

This is not a game, this is a social experiment about how many people are stupid and will not realize it (quite a lot judging by posts about how there are no bots) and about if players will be ok with it and keep playing. I am not a lab rat. If I click to play PvP, I want PvP, not veilded PvE so I can feel better after few lost games.

This should be illegal to be honest, or at least Steam should ban games that are lying to their players, but well, what can you expect from China.

Here are some videos with proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFYcG0hK7f4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjAljBFL0VY
Here are some replays if you want to watch yourself:
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Thanks to "notel0ck" and "I'm in immense pain" for links and replays.

Edit 20/12/2024
Replay ID: 5057692130
This is big, after 3 lost game I managed to be the only human in the whole game. You can see it by the behavior and names of the rest. Also, I made like 15 prompts asking anyone to type anything. Nobody did.

I already suspected bots are always aiming for 2-2-2 composition, this game confirmed it. Another thing is if I was the only player in whole game it confirms without a doubt it is Netease who stands behind the bots.

I realized it quickly I play with bots so I didn't play - basically let my team play 5v6. it is impossible to lose. If you analyze objective number 2, both bots play evenly, but enemy won objective because of 6v5 advantage. However, if you look at objective 3, you see my team plays godly and enemy dumbs down, it was not even a contest. It is rigged so you WILL win.

Additional info: Game was searching for match like 20 seconds, what is a lot for this game. It's very possible it had trouble to find anyone else with lose streak, that's why I ended alone in my team. I regret I didn't swap hero to see if bots will also switch to aim for composition 2-2-2.

Update: I screenshotted my entire available history and marked bot games:
https://ibb.co/b3pqQVN
https://ibb.co/LnKqShq
https://ibb.co/7GBHndR
https://ibb.co/qBVXPq8
https://ibb.co/mtLmCrq
https://ibb.co/W52G2c7
https://ibb.co/540RnJN

Replays:

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How do I know these were bot games - if you click on the match and try to inspect profile of a bot, it says you can't. As you see, all bot matches occurred after lost games, almost all took 2-3 lost matches, however at the end I needed only 1 lost match for it to occur.

Edit 22/12/2024
Thanks to the user "Nyattery Acid" it is confirmed without a doubt that bots faced in qp are from NetEase itself and not outside source. Post marked as an answer to this thread.

Edit 28/12/2024
Below you can see a difference between a message you get while trying to inspect a bot (first link) and a message you get when trying to inspect a real player who set his account to private (second link).

https://ibb.co/n1ssrt5
https://i.postimg.cc/pdsnYD55/20241226005314-1.jpg

Edit 12/01/2025
If someone is still on the fence (for whatever reason) about existence of bots thanks to the user "Johan" I learned that on the website tracker(dot)gg instead of a name bots are described just as a "BOT". Example below.

https://ibb.co/zGr2HcY
Senast ändrad av Kernist; 11 jan @ 16:47
Ursprungligen skrivet av Nyattery Acid:
I made my own thread about this before seeing this, so posting here as well. I originally edited these images for Reddit but the subreddit mods shot my findings down within seconds, so you'll have to forgive me for all the purple boxes.

https://i.postimg.cc/jd92vNLN/1.jpg - a game I got into after losing 2 games, all bots on enemy, all private, and one important name, Ale.

https://i.postimg.cc/fLBTdSGV/2.jpg - this is the 3 open profiles on my team having 2 losses before this game.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKhZ1SFm/3.jpg and here's the result of me attempting to search "Ale," which turned up a completly unrelated person with no time on Hawkeye or Black Panther and no games in history for a whole 3 hours before our game.

This last thing makes me certain that the developers put these bots in. A farm bot set up by an outside party would not have bypassed name duplication prevention.

Since I'm put in a spot as the "answer" to the topic, I have to share the replay in question: 5095564775 You can see the Ale in this game with a private profile is NOT the Ale who's searchable normally.
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Diesel 18 dec, 2024 @ 14:43 
I uninstalled last night, not from bots. The game just kind of sucks. Its not really following marvel Lore, the characters are unbalanced. its just a re-skin of OW which really isnt that great of a game either. Team fortress was more fun then all these games. I also dont trust Chinese software on my PC from a company that specializes in cell phone games and data collection. Also if they are willing to sneak bots in your game and hide it they are capable of far more nefarious things. Remember the CCP owns 20% of every company in China, so if they tell the company to add spyware they dont have a choice.
Archonis 18 dec, 2024 @ 14:49 
I have bots on my team, but they are just players with the game sense of bots.
Ursprungligen skrivet av Diesel:
I uninstalled last night, not from bots. The game just kind of sucks. Its not really following marvel Lore, the characters are unbalanced. its just a re-skin of OW which really isnt that great of a game either. Team fortress was more fun then all these games. I also dont trust Chinese software on my PC from a company that specializes in cell phone games and data collection. Also if they are willing to sneak bots in your game and hide it they are capable of far more nefarious things. Remember the CCP owns 20% of every company in China, so if they tell the company to add spyware they dont have a choice.
if they followed lore world breaker hulk would body everyone its a game nobody cares its a reskin of overwatch since overwatch is a reskin of teamfortress 2
Play ranked, at least ppl are not that braindead
Notawizard 18 dec, 2024 @ 15:49 
I'm not mad, I think they should lean into it. Lets us give them commands like hold this point, heal, or follow me. You need a pocket healer or a meat head to stand on the point?

They could go even further and have ai study popular players and add them in as guest appearances. Wanna try your luck against the top ranked team?

It has it limitations but ai could be helpful, even if it's training new players or giving the unaware a win to boost their confidence.
Ursprungligen skrivet av Notawizard:
I'm not mad, I think they should lean into it. Lets us give them commands like hold this point, heal, or follow me. You need a pocket healer or a meat head to stand on the point?

They could go even further and have ai study popular players and add them in as guest appearances. Wanna try your luck against the top ranked team?

It has it limitations but ai could be helpful, even if it's training new players or giving the unaware a win to boost their confidence.
if i wanted to fight bots id pick vs ai not qp
Notawizard 18 dec, 2024 @ 15:52 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Blood Raven Cyrus:
if i wanted to fight bots id pick vs ai not qp

Out of fairness, if there are bots it should be known and not in secret. There should also be a place for PvP only ...but I don't think qp should be that place.
The Rattening 18 dec, 2024 @ 15:56 
I also thought there were bots until one of them started flaming their team and in another game someone backfilled a team. I don't think there are bots. It's way more likely that since Marvel Rivals attracts such a large playerbase there are a lot of bad players. Everyone thinks that they are fighting bots but doesn't consider whether they are the "bots" when their team is getting stomped by the other.
Krumpazoid 18 dec, 2024 @ 16:02 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Diesel:
I uninstalled last night, not from bots. The game just kind of sucks. Its not really following marvel Lore, the characters are unbalanced. its just a re-skin of OW which really isnt that great of a game either. Team fortress was more fun then all these games. I also dont trust Chinese software on my PC from a company that specializes in cell phone games and data collection. Also if they are willing to sneak bots in your game and hide it they are capable of far more nefarious things. Remember the CCP owns 20% of every company in China, so if they tell the company to add spyware they dont have a choice.

CPC
And communists are not spying on you, because you are not that important and will never be a threat to China. You are just another g4m3r#1337pwner
Kernist 18 dec, 2024 @ 16:02 
Ursprungligen skrivet av SaberToothButterfly:
I also thought there were bots until one of them started flaming their team and in another game someone backfilled a team. I don't think there are bots. It's way more likely that since Marvel Rivals attracts such a large playerbase there are a lot of bad players. Everyone thinks that they are fighting bots but doesn't consider whether they are the "bots" when their team is getting stomped by the other.
If you are still not convinced just check post number #64.
Ithil 18 dec, 2024 @ 16:05 
More about this here including plenty of proof:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2767030/discussions/0/787664259085514854/
Kernist 18 dec, 2024 @ 16:06 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Krumpazoid:
Ursprungligen skrivet av Diesel:
I uninstalled last night, not from bots. The game just kind of sucks. Its not really following marvel Lore, the characters are unbalanced. its just a re-skin of OW which really isnt that great of a game either. Team fortress was more fun then all these games. I also dont trust Chinese software on my PC from a company that specializes in cell phone games and data collection. Also if they are willing to sneak bots in your game and hide it they are capable of far more nefarious things. Remember the CCP owns 20% of every company in China, so if they tell the company to add spyware they dont have a choice.

CPC
And communists are not spying on you, because you are not that important and will never be a threat to China. You are just another g4m3r#1337pwner
They do, and everyone does - google, twitter, bank, your local shop... you are just a drop of water but gather enough drops and you have an ocean.
PocketYoda 18 dec, 2024 @ 16:14 
Yes the game is infested..
Kernist 18 dec, 2024 @ 17:27 
Ursprungligen skrivet av PocketYoda:
Yes the game is infested..
I wouldn't say infested because bots are not from outside source but their own, and I am saying that because of a fact that you are getting bot matches after losing.
Trip 18 dec, 2024 @ 18:00 
I really doubt this is coming from the DEVs as their is already a perfectly functional AI built into the game that is not being used in these 'AI bot matches".

Which isn't to say its not a bot AI, just not the AI that the game itself has. The DEVs would have to have an entirely different AI for use in these bot matches, one that in no way resembles the AI bots even on easy.

And for what? to give somebody an easy win? To make them lose?

Loser ques have been a thing in overwatch for years and years. Do well and they match you against harder opponents or stacks (or both). Do badly enough and you get a match with better teammates. Why go through all the bother of creating easily identifiable bot names to insert into the game so people can get an 'easy win'. If they wanted to do that, why not use ChatGPT to make a million unique usernames? Allot about this just doesn't add up.
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