Mr Fantastic is NOT a dps

[12ninjababies]

They need to recategorize him as a vanguard

[Phantom Limb]

But he is not a vanguard either.

[12ninjababies]

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

But he is not a vanguard either.

with how long he takes to kill and the amount of times he can shield up, he should be a vanguard

[HighLanderPony]

Originally posted by 12ninjababies:

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

But he is not a vanguard either.

with how long he takes to kill and the amount of times he can shield up, he should be a vanguard

Aim better and he'll die faster.

[Mitrovarr]

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

But he is not a vanguard either.

I'd argue you should treat him like a vanguard for the purposes of picking roles. He fulfills the role of a vanguard when he's on your team.

[Phantom Limb]

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

But he is not a vanguard either.

I'd argue you should treat him like a vanguard for the purposes of picking roles. He fulfills the role of a vanguard when he's on your team.

No, he's somewhere in the middle which makes him a worse pick for both roles, because he lacks dps to get kills and he also lacks survivability to be a frontliner. Unless the enemy team is bad and clueless. Nobody will pick him on higher ranks because of all mentioned above.

[Vangalisk]

Ben Grimm will be their Vanguard not him.

[12ninjababies]

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

Originally posted by Mitrovarr:

I'd argue you should treat him like a vanguard for the purposes of picking roles. He fulfills the role of a vanguard when he's on your team.

No, he's somewhere in the middle which makes him a worse pick for both roles, because he lacks dps to get kills and he also lacks survivability to be a frontliner. Unless the enemy team is bad and clueless. Nobody will pick him on higher ranks because of all mentioned above.

i agree, except he can be a frontliner better than most dps because of how long he can survive on the frontlines and be in the enemies face

[Phantom Limb]

Originally posted by 12ninjababies:

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

No, he's somewhere in the middle which makes him a worse pick for both roles, because he lacks dps to get kills and he also lacks survivability to be a frontliner. Unless the enemy team is bad and clueless. Nobody will pick him on higher ranks because of all mentioned above.

i agree, except he can be a frontliner better than most dps because of how long he can survive on the frontlines and be in the enemies face

Like I said, if played against clueless team, he can be effective, but as soon as enemies know what they are doing, he will be focused and killed easily. You can't compare him to vanguards like Thor or Venom because he can't harrass backline effectively and you can't compare him to frontliners like Magneto or Strange because he lacks an ability to hold the position like them.
Mr. F is in a weird place and needs some adjustments.

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by 12ninjababies:

Originally posted by Phantom Limb:

But he is not a vanguard either.

with how long he takes to kill and the amount of times he can shield up, he should be a vanguard

hes what logan should be as a duelist.

[Porozil]

This is why they should just attach secondary roles to some of these characters and balance around that.
For example, Mr. F should've been classified as Duelist/Vanguard.
And when they inevitably add a strategist that deals a bit too much damage, they can just classify them as Strategist/Duelist and avoid all this discourse and confusion.

[Toybox]

Originally posted by Porozil:

This is why they should just attach secondary roles to some of these characters and balance around that.
For example, Mr. F should've been classified as Duelist/Vanguard.
And when they inevitably add a strategist that deals a bit too much damage, they can just classify them as Strategist/Duelist and avoid all this discourse and confusion.

Mantis already exists.

[gn0rp]

Honestly, mr. fantastic is really not that good.

[SiNiSTAR]

Hes bad at both roles. one of the few heroes i hate seeing on my team and in 99% of cases they switch cause they do horrible with him

[Foot]

He's still more of a duelist than vanguard. Vanguards are supposed to stand their ground and protect their teamamtes from dmg. Mr fantastic has a burst moment of survability but then he becomes really easy to take down