black widow

[strelok]

am i the only one thinking that devs just troll us with widow?
super power:running,kick and a fcking tonfa????
she's friend with tony stark and she have nothing more?
but at least it's more realistic than the movie

[ele]

She's completely useless so I'm hoping for a remake at some point.

[IndianaJones]

She was already buffed, but being super effective at long range, she is weak in close quarters. You have chances to survive or even score a kill in close quarters if you know your way around her.

There are no heroes that are good all around. It would make game pointless and be more DPS focused like silly Overwatch (after hundreds of hero reworks ).

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by ele:

She's completely useless so I'm hoping for a remake at some point.

She is not useless you just have to be good at shooting heads, good target prio, positioning etc.

https://youtu.be/GR48KWI_-DM?feature=shared

This one plays with a controller and was GM but there are probably other mains
Its a similar situation to Widow in Overwatch, just requires a lot of dedication

[IndianaJones]

I dunno I've been a few times MVP playing as Widow and I'm not great with her. I never played as Widow in Overwatch.

[Taipei Ghost]

she is nowhere near the ow widow and mostly useless compared to meta dps

she has a stun and can 1v1 a flanker tho... if you are lucky

[SpiralD]

she's fun and no one complains.
She gets better the better your team is, so i really like her.
Also she got a good butt.

[strelok]

ofc if you have 80% headshot accuracy she's not useless but i'm not talking about top player
you can't say she's not useless look at this top 1% player
i play a lot OW widow and i never feel she was useless
but marvel isn't OW
in a game where super power are insane having a hero who can only aim it's useless
but yes your right if your aim is insane and you can head shot a spiderman mid air yes she's not useless

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by strelok:

ofc if you have 80% headshot accuracy she's not useless but i'm not talking about top player
you can't say she's not useless look at this top 1% player
i play a lot OW widow and i never feel she was useless
but marvel isn't OW
in a game where super power are insane having a hero who can only aim it's useless
but yes your right if your aim is insane and you can head shot a spiderman mid air yes she's not useless

The big thing about Overwatch Widow is that she gave a lot of info to the team, right? As far I remember her ult gives vision to other members too. Thats super strong in comparision to Rivals Widow.

[Prim0]

mbmbm

[Pvt. Parts]

Lowkey black widow is solid. Hawkeye team up is good, but on a long cool down. I don't think that she should be able to one shot, she's okay as is.

IMO she should have a second gun like punisher. Maybe a pistol with 12 rounds, maybe like 20dmg a bullet It'd give her some more close range options. Her batons are the worst part.

If you play with a mantis you can one shot as well.

[IndianaJones]

Originally posted by strelok:

ofc if you have 80% headshot accuracy she's not useless but i'm not talking about top player
you can't say she's not useless look at this top 1% player
i play a lot OW widow and i never feel she was useless
but marvel isn't OW
in a game where super power are insane having a hero who can only aim it's useless
but yes your right if your aim is insane and you can head shot a spiderman mid air yes she's not useless

I don't get it, you are more upset her being like that lore wise or gameplay wise.
Gameplay wise, people proven she is not useless. You don't need to have high aim to be effective member of the team. Take for example Rocket and his iffy gun. Just do what helps your team.

[strelok]

i'm upset she have nothing usefull expect her main weapon
like i said in my first post,she can run,kick and use tonfa in a world where tony stark use nano technologie to create insane stuff
it's not about OS sniper or having a broken kit it's just having something morer than a sniper...
if you take moon light,he have super power AND gadget,he have a graplin and a wingsuit
give that to widow and it will be fcking fun
or can't she have some claymore or c4?
no she have a tonfa and need to find the stair to go on the roof
it's fcking sad

[Hyuga]

Widow can be fairly good but it sure is funny how she only has her kick and the sprinting with leaping when someone like Moon Knight has 6 individual abilities not counting his ultimate xd

The buffs to her recharge rate and Kick range this patch were really good for her tho, i think the only thing id personally want is infinite sprinting like Cap has, and having the resource only be used when jumping. If youre good at hitting your shots and timing everything right you can beat almost anyone, but if the kick misses you dont have much of a chance. 15 second cooldown is maybe also a but much given that Spiderman can use his whole combo 3 times in the same time frame xd

She is definitely not useless though, she just has a very steep learning curve and is not very easy to get into, but if you bother learning her shes genuinely so fun. I wouldnt mind her getting some more gadgets and gizmos tho :D

[Jarek Defiler]

I get mvp on black Widow quite a bit, and I don't think she's useless in the slightest. I just think, like other heroes, that there are simply better picks. She is tons of fun to play imo and I love that her headshots don't one shot.

But as I've said in many other threads, she has a couple of major issues that if addressed would bring her in line with other duelists.

1 - Her atrocious rate of fire. The time it takes to ♥♥♥♥ her gun is a huge detriment and is the number 1 reason she often can't get picks. She'll get that one shot off but by the time she finishes cocking her gun her target is healed to full or behind cover. Compare to Hawkeye or Hela.

2 - Her gun doesn't continue cocking through her kick/rekick animations. This is the number 1 reason I lose close quarters fights, bar none. Shooting and then doing kick combo often finds you standing there at the end like a moron while you wait for her to ♥♥♥♥ her gun.

3 - No reloading while sprinting. Black Widow's sprint is a must for her survival. But when reloading it stops the sprintg and forces you into a walk. This is a death sentence when in a fight and makes no sense. She's a hardcore red room assassin that can't reload while sprinting? Dumb.

4 - Her kick/grab relics will often not go off. Meaning, the first kick will connect and knock the enemy back, but it won't give you the prompt for the followup grab/rekick. This also loses close quarters fights consistently.

Fix these things and she'd be great. Don't touch her damage.

[strelok]

i'm agree with you and i'm ok with her damage,OS potential will just destroy the game but at least just change the tonfa and give her a magnum with a smouth/fast weapon change
there's a lot of thing to do with widow without breaking the game/the lore but devs choose to give her tonfa
that's why i really think they troll us