Oppressive AOE ults

[flamebthrowmer]

so many characters have AOE ults that do insane damage, feels like a misstep in design. The ults don't feel that creative or unique when it comes to dps characters

[DoremianCleff]

Publicado originalmente por CoronaChan:

She wont kill anyone. Your healers can put heal the damage easily when its split among all 6 members.

Well, i said 5. But the reason i say can kill 1, is because after she hit everyone once, there is an X% chance he will hit the last target again (since everyone has equal number of hits), so if she lands her last attack of rotation and first attack of rotation on a squishy, they will probably die, unless they heal up within 0.5 second interval.

It's not 100%, but chance is always there as long as 2 consecutive attacks land on same person.

[Fartin' Futa King]

The most annoying thing imo is their radiuses and ability to move during them. I'm not saying they are broken or too strong, I just find it weird, that Psylock has 10 meter range where she shreds everybody and this thing can move. Same thing with Wanda even though she is trash. It fits Storm's ult, maybe Mantis/Luna, but that's it.
I think OW D'Va or Reaper design was better, because if you pressed a button and messed up your positioning you couldn't correct yourself.
That's why I actually like Invisible Woman ult, it's static and if you misplaced it that's on you and that increases stakes, skill requirement and allow you to actually dodge and counter it with good positioning as her opponent.

[XxEyeDragonxX]

Now that I think about it... what about Bukky's ult? it's also AOE and can be repeated indefinitely as long as he manages to kill someone while the ult is active.

I'm too bad to make that ultimate useful, but on YouTube there are a good number of clips of bukky killing the entire enemy team almost twice, or more.

[Slam Moment]

Never seen Black Panther do anything useful with his ult.
Just saying.

[zghaun]

The only ult that has a problem currently is Moon Knight, it's almost instant

[PENG]

Yeah, Moon Knights ult needs to be 1-2 seconds delayed, its nearly instant and as long as youre not a tank youre dead. Either needs a longer delay or a smaller aoe. Everything else kinda feels fine

[Mitrovarr]

I think a lot of ults need to either be scaled back slightly, or more counterplay introduced. There's a lot of characters that don't have mobility powers and have virtually nothing they can do about many ults.

[Plagues]

So many heroes have ways to completely nullify these insane dps ults. Hell, cloaks right click can do it ever 12ish seconds

[Teal V2]

The problem is not AOE damage ults. but that everything is AOE ults.

Be it damage or heal, it is just dull and boring.

Heroes could use some unique abilities instead of all those AOE massive damage or Heal skills, with a little thing changed in them.

Spiderman's ult is the same as star-lord's E, with a minor change. Hilarious!

PSYLOCKE is yet again a massive AOE damage field. Why wont she just get an area around herself which reduces her cooldowns greatly while inside?
She could dash and be invisible more often, give the power for a player to be OP for a while by THEMSELVES if they can use it well. There is no skill involved by pressing Q and watching tiktok while the game takes down everyone for you.

But healers are no exception. INVISIBLE WOMAN gives you a stealth field with a slow... and for the sake of variety, paired with a mega health regen boost.
Couldn't she just make everyone invisible, giving enemies a good time of PTSD?
Enemies still could get visible for a moment when get hit, and the source of their projectiles are also visible.

It is not a MUST to make people invincible cuz of a hilarious health regen. (looking at you, luna)
It is a boring and dull game design.
I'm a dps, I charge up my ultimate, use it the right time, win.
I'm a healer, I charge up my ultimate, use it to counter an ultimate, win.

What the heck.
This is not interesting at all.

Doctor Strange is kinda cool with his skill set. Teleport can lead to very interesting results and it is indeed unique.
Why rest of the characters are literal copy-paste heroes instead of being unique characters with unique skill sets?

It is all lazy work and makes the game less entertaining on the long run.

[Hart]

Publicado originalmente por Teal V2:

The problem is not AOE damage ults. but that everything is AOE ults.

Spiderman's ult is the same as star-lord's E, with a minor change. Hilarious!

Starlords's ult is not AOE. Spiderman's is. Starlord can move and picks his targets (somewhat).

[XxEyeDragonxX]

Publicado originalmente por PENG:

Yeah, Moon Knights ult needs to be 1-2 seconds delayed, its nearly instant and as long as youre not a tank youre dead. Either needs a longer delay or a smaller aoe. Everything else kinda feels fine

It has a much smaller AOE than other ults, making it smaller or giving it delay is making the ult useless.

[Dio]

moon knight needs a nerf asap

[Alt]

The worst of those ults are the ults with instant cast and no way to counter them outside of just trying spread out before it wents off or run away. Storm's and Moon's ult are good example of that. Moon ult recently got overbuffed so much, that you cant avoid it unless you are at the edge. And even if you are the edge, you can still die in less than a second if your life is below 250. I main Rocket, and i cant dodge Moon's ult when i have 200 and bellow HP. Its really annoying to play against competent moon. Same goes for Storm. The only way to deal with her ult is to spread out and pray that she will not get you. Competent Storm will almost always go for healers and kill both of them if they are not spread out by the moment she pops her ult.

I think making so many ults deal so much damage and, so easy to use, without almost any skill was a mistake. Overwatch is better designed in that department. I prefer team to combine their ults in order to kill 3-6 players, instead of Storm, alone, popping up hers and killing half the team without much hassle.

[Alt]

Publicado originalmente por XxEyeDragonxX:

Publicado originalmente por PENG:

Yeah, Moon Knights ult needs to be 1-2 seconds delayed, its nearly instant and as long as youre not a tank youre dead. Either needs a longer delay or a smaller aoe. Everything else kinda feels fine

It has a much smaller AOE than other ults, making it smaller or giving it delay is making the ult useless.

It wont be useless. You could be used it to catch targets at particular moments(stunned enemies) or to deny point. Case and point DIva's ult in Overwatch. Its very rare that her ult kills someone by itself, because it so easy to dodge. But you can use it in certain situations to deny enemy capture point, payload, zone them, or combine with another ult to kill enemy. Ults should not be 1 button = kill half of the enemy team solution.

[XxEyeDragonxX]

Publicado originalmente por Alt:

Publicado originalmente por XxEyeDragonxX:

It has a much smaller AOE than other ults, making it smaller or giving it delay is making the ult useless.

It wont be useless. You could be used it to catch targets at particular moments(stunned enemies) or to deny point. Case and point DIva's ult in Overwatch. Its very rare that her ult kills someone by itself, because it so easy to dodge. But you can use it in certain situations to deny enemy capture point, payload, zone them, or combine with another ult to kill enemy. Ults should not be 1 button = kill half of the enemy team solution.

I'll let you know when I manage to kill half the team, it's not that hard to get away from the ultimate because of how small the AoE is compared to the others.