Stuck at 17 dtp

[NoName090404]

My current stats are 58k ap, 4.4e11 eternitys, max dilation score 50m, supernova 121, dilation tree dp build t2.4=top 2 level 4 (c1.5 t1.1 t2.1 t3.0 t4.0 m1.3 m2.0 m3.0 m4.0 b1.1 b2.1 b3.5 b4.0). Should I try to get more infinity's or just push on.

[Kyouko Tsukino]

At the point you're at, the dilation tree works better for certain things with certain configurations. Resetting the tree is going to make it easier to advance, as long as you know what upgrades to use for what you're farming. DP, AP, Eternities and Supernovas are all going to let you progress, but until you're at DTP40+, you won't be able to focus on more than one at a time, which is why resetting the tree is even an option.

[NoName090404]

I found a fix with the c1.5 t1.1 t2.1 t3.5 t4.5 and I jumped up to 21 dtp.

[Kyouko Tsukino]

Yes, there's different configurations for AP farming, Eternity farming, Supernova "farming" and dilation (which is the one that will let you get to the next DTP after you farm the others for a while.)

[muljostpho]

I'm at 16 DTP, 51k AP, 1.04e12 eternities, and supernova 120. Currently in an AP run so I don't think my dilation is relevant at the moment. Dilation upgrades 4 to 9 have costs for next upgrade in the e207 range though.

I could be wrong about what gets the best results but the build that seems to work the best for me when I do a DP run is C1, T1/1/1/5, B1/1/5/0. I haven't been as impressed with the center, the 2nd top, or the 1st middle for boosting DP gains in various runs where I've tried to maximize each of them or when I've tried to spread points evenly between them and 3rd bottom. So after I maxed the 3rd bottom I put points into the 4th top to enhance the boost of the 3rd bottom as much as possible.

EDIT: lol, what?

Originally posted by NoName090404:

I found a fix with the c1.5 t1.1 t2.1 t3.5 t4.5 and I jumped up to 21 dtp.

How does that make any sense? You're saying that you did C5, T1/1/5.5, and nothing in middle or bottom? You put points into 3rd top, the one for pushing supernovas, in your DP run? And you put points into 4th top while not using anything in bottom at all?

[NoName090404]

Yes the way it works is m3 also affects ap from supernovas and supernova gives ep gain. Try the build at least once before you say it won't work.

Originally posted by muljostpho:

I'm at 16 DTP, 51k AP, 1.04e12 eternities, and supernova 120. Currently in an AP run so I don't think my dilation is relevant at the moment. Dilation upgrades 4 to 9 have costs for next upgrade in the e207 range though.

I could be wrong about what gets the best results but the build that seems to work the best for me when I do a DP run is C1, T1/1/1/5, B1/1/5/0. I haven't been as impressed with the center, the 2nd top, or the 1st middle for boosting DP gains in various runs where I've tried to maximize each of them or when I've tried to spread points evenly between them and 3rd bottom. So after I maxed the 3rd bottom I put points into the 4th top to enhance the boost of the 3rd bottom as much as possible.

EDIT: lol, what?

Originally posted by NoName090404:

I found a fix with the c1.5 t1.1 t2.1 t3.5 t4.5 and I jumped up to 21 dtp.

How does that make any sense? You're saying that you did C5, T1/1/5.5, and nothing in middle or bottom? You put points into 3rd top, the one for pushing supernovas, in your DP run? And you put points into 4th top while not using anything in bottom at all?

[muljostpho]

You didn't mention using 3rd middle in that build though? You said that you put into all into the center node, 3rd top, and 4th top.
EDIT: Guess you meant M1/1/5/5 then. Interesting catch if that's actually helpful here. I definitely wasn't looking there for DP gains.

[Kyouko Tsukino]

Couldn't have used anything but those they mentioned with 17 DTPs.

Anyhow, it can work. You'll gain more supernovas through T3, which will let you buy a lot more DTPs than usual thanks to the supernova bonuses. Switching to a build that boosts DP gain (or one that lets them farm APs) after that would take them further, though, but to each their own pace.

[muljostpho]

I've already got as many supernovas as I can currently have. Just before my current run (AP run: C1, M1/1/3/0, B5/5/0/0) I was trying a supernova run (C1, T1/1/5/0, B1/1/1/5) and I could not get anywhere close to reaching supernova 121.

I just don't see the logic in trying to run C5, T1/1/5/5 (which would also mean M0/0/0/0 and B0/0/0/0) and expecting significant DP from it.

EDIT: Giving it a try anyway though. C4, T/1/1/5/5. Let's see what happens...
EDIT2: And... just saw the latest post that it was indeed supposed to be middle, not top.

[NoName090404]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

You didn't mention using 3rd middle in that build though? You said that you put into all into the center node, 3rd top, and 4th top.
EDIT: Guess you meant M1/1/5/5 then. Interesting catch if that's actually helpful here. I definitely wasn't looking there for DP gains.

Oh I made a mistake and put t instead of m. I meant middle.

[muljostpho]

Yikes. Instant e240+ getting 17th DTP right away after first quick dilation establishing a lazy score after setting C4, M1/1/5/5... Just snagged 18th DTP as well after putting that last point into center.

EDIT: 20th DTP purchased.
Wow, I just looked at my AP. I've been able to buy a few extra during this but I don't think much more than about 1k or 2k. But my AP displays as 137k right now.

[[HTC] Getto]

focus heavy on one aspect at a time, DP build for dilation, AP build for max revolutions to get animal points, max SN build, and Eternity farm build.

Dont be shy to reset the tree (penalty 5% on first 3 dilation upgrades) is fixed in no time when doing a new dilation.

When finishing a focus farm on one of the three power gaining builds, go back to max DP gain build as possible and push dilation as far as possible without overdoing it. should spend max like 30 minutes with dilation upgrading. start dilation, and after less than a minute, stop and start another dilation. the DP is rolling in, you can now empower the ones that had 5% loss, and even get a couple levels on them instantly. your 5% loss is gone instantly.

upgrade 4-5-6-7-8-9 as possible, and restart dilation again. (your score in dilation is allready higher than the first minute.) now you can upgrade everything a little further, and now work all the upgrades that they take 5 minutes or more to buy a new one.

at this point, you are ready to go for a new focus farm on whichever is lowest next. keep track of SN, AP.

ET is a flat "little over 3 million/sec", cannot farm that faster. but you will have to weave them in so now and then. (best to let that run overnight or so)

when you finished focus farming 1 aspect (you are past this point now 13dtp) you can either do dilation to focus for next, or go straight to Eternity farming (center).

[NoName090404]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

Yikes. Instant e240+ getting 17th DTP right away after first quick dilation establishing a lazy score after setting C4, M1/1/5/5... Just snagged 18th DTP as well after putting that last point into center.

EDIT: 20th DTP purchased.
Wow, I just looked at my AP. I've been able to buy a few extra during this but I don't think much more than about 1k or 2k. But my AP displays as 137k right now.

Yeah after using c4 m1/1/5/5 I got from 17 to 40 in 2 hours.

[muljostpho]

40 that rapidly? Huh. I got stalled out at 21. About half an hour from 17th to 20th, not sure how long it took me from there to reach the 21st. I wasn't sure what to do with the new points past the 18th as I got them but I was putting them into 1st middle (immediate effect on DP income instead of needing to reach 2nd top or 3rd bottom again) and that seemed to be keeping some momentum going for a while but things fizzled out by the time C5 M5/1/5/5 was reached.

Right now, dilation upgrades 4 to 9 are each in the e363 cost range for their next level, and DTP 22 will cost 100e363. Dilation score at about e62.6M and pulling in 123e357 DP income. I've been thinking it's probably about time that I ought to cycle between some other builds and shoot for supernova 121 or however far I can get that now. (I was just at 120 before attempting that build. Had tried for 121 before that and it hadn't seemed possible for me yet.) Although right now DTP 22 is kinda looking to be within range to coast to at that income if I leave it alone for now and check it in however many hours. (EDIT: Meh, maybe I overestimated how that pace was looking. Bailing on the DP grind to work on other stuff for a bit.)