Faster Eternities

[DiMono]

Is there a way to get a faster Eternity than 10ms with 12DTP?

[Kyouko Tsukino]

Found no way to do that with 42 DTPs either, so I think that could be an actual hardcoded limit.

[[HTC] Getto]

3046350 max from dtp points, can choose to run automation, eternity set on 1 with 0s reset timer to get couple hundred eternities per sec extra, however that does not add much once you get to higher DTP counts, since youll need the game to run longer with the automation being off.

[Kyouko Tsukino]

I think the lowest you can max out eternities from DTP is 13 DTP.

With 40+ DTP you can run AP and Eternity farm at the same time, which is good, since the "wind up" for AP farming at that point takes several hours.

And yes, once you get to e11 Eternities, the maximum speed for DTP eternity gain is obnoxiously small compared to the number of eternities you need to get things to move.

[DiMono]

I haven't been using eternities to gain DP since DTP 16. Supernovas and AP are far too powerful. Currently at 9.0e10 of them though. I'll start adding them back in on DTP 42 (currently on 40 chasing supernova 155).

[Kyouko Tsukino]

You're going to be on DTP 41 for "a while" if you don't get your eternities to at least 1.5e11. And with 40 DTPs you could get an almost decent eternity speed while focusing on APs, too, so it won't be wasted time (well, unless you reset the tree after gaining just a few thousand APs.)

[DiMono]

I'm not sure about that. I did some science. For the baseline, I have 155 supernovas (yay), 9e10 Eternities and 356,936 AP after filling out the middle path.

I have 40 DP. After making the seed 5 and middle 5-1-5-5, I tried two basic setups, and recorded where the DP gain seemed to top out:

top: 1-5-1-5, bottom: 1-1-5-x = DP gain e838
top: 1-1-1-5, bottom: 1-1-5-4 = DP gain e862

Then I reset to a baseline for each path and recorded the scores for TOP 2 and BOTTOM 3:

top: 1-1-1-5 - 8.11e21
bottom: 1-1-5-x - 4.61e107

The baseline stats are what they are because earlier testing I did told me that focusing on supernova gain was more lucrative than focusing on Eternity gain. After resetting here I did some quick trials:

add to top 2: 4.44e24
add to bottom 4: top 8.53e25, bottom 4.04e113
add to top 2: 2.05e29
add to bottom 4: top 4.24e31, bottom 1.34e120

So a point into TOP 2 gives me an extra 1e3, but focusing on BOTTOM 3 by boosting BOTTOM 4 gives me an extra 1e6. I also tried adding points to TOP 2, BOTTOM 2, and BOTTOM 3, to see if there was anything to note there, and none gave any appreciable gains to DP production.

Basically, every test I ran said that the best way forward is to focus on bumping up BOTTOM 3 to get the most I can out of supernovas, and to ignore TOP 2 (and by extension, Eternities) basically entirely.

So from a strictly DP-production standpoint, it looks like there isn't a compelling reason to care about the difference between 9e10 and 1.5e11 Eternities. However, this was a very narrow test. Is there something going on elsewhere that I'm not taking into account?

All of that said, the next supernova isn't until e831M, and I'm unlikely to get there before DP 41, so I'm going to be using my AP/EP build anyway because it builds AP slightly faster. So I'll probably end up surpassing 1.5e11 Eternities regardless.

[Kyouko Tsukino]

Look at the Eternity tab named "Milestones." The eternity bonuses are the reason to keep farming eternities, it has nothing to do with DP gain itself, but with making it possible to boost things that will increase your progression in other things (like getting score quicker, to make AP farming take less time overall.)

APs are the main driving force either way, but eternities help getting them quicker, and they can be farmed along with APs for no extra cost at DTP 40+

I have eternities in the e12 range and even then, DTP 43 is going to take "a while" (a whole day) even with 420k APs.

[DiMono]

Ah, those are back in play at this point. Cool. Thanks.

[Thanatos]

My fastest infinity is 33ms
My fastest eternity is 10ms

I'm still not sure how this happens.

[Kyouko Tsukino]

You get so many EPs that you trigger eternity before you can trigger infinity.

[Thanatos]

I wonder if it has to do with the passive IP/s milestone that gives you IP before the game has a chance to trigger infinity, and triggers eternity instead.

[DiMono]

My fastest infinity is 50ms (same as all my infinity challenges). My fastest eternity is 10ms and I legitimately don't know how I got it - I can't get below 17ms now.

Right now I'm just grinding out AP until I get to 400k so I can get DTP 42, and then switch over to grinding supernova 156 and then to unity. It's wild how much slower these last five achievements are than everything that came before them.

[DiMono]

Well, I have > 400k AP, 42 DTP, and 5.08e11 Eternities. Time to let the game run chasing supernova 156 for a day and a half.

[[HTC] Getto]

finished the last achievement with around 2,5e12 eternities, so yeah let the game run for a while :)

[DiMono]

After a certain point, I don't think increasing Eternities makes that much of a difference. I've increased now to 6.10e11 and my mult. gain and lap speed went from 9.10e24 to 9.16e24. A 20% increase resulted in a less than 1% improvement. I'll still take it, because progress is progress, but I don't think it's that relevant.

Also, my supernova EP rewards are a lie. Getting sn 156 supposedly took me from e880 to e886, but I'm back where I was on my new run and my EP gain is exactly the same. I'm getting really tired of this game lying to me.