Endgame DTP 40 - how to farm Eternities?

[RottingGem]

I'm in the endgame crawl. Following the excellent spidweb01 guide, I seem to be way behind in total Eternities. I'm currently doing an AP-farming build, the tree is at C1-T1155-M1555-B5510.

The maxed M2 block tells me I get 1,850,000 (roughly) eternities per second. (note1) Total eternities I have is 100e9. In other discussion posts, people talk about having 1e12 eternities, and also waiting for hours at this point. If I did my math right, i won't hit that milestone till another 120+ hours of active game running time. (note2) And i have 800 hours, according to Steam!

Supernova 153
AP 306,000
Lab 15,560, all in #6 Common Exponent
Fastest Eternity, 16ms - I hear 14ms or even 10ms is possible with luck?

I did a few tree respec's without doing DP runs around DTP-30, not noticing the top row of upgrades getting cut until later, so now I'm really behind. Dilation Upgrades 4-9 cost e786 for one point, and the top row wants e609. With my DP build, that's still 10 hours for 1 point in the top row :(

So, how do I get Eternities up? And DP Income up? Or should I rage-quit and wipe my save and start over???



(1) I'm not a math-brain person so I'm not sure, but I think 1,850,000 means 1.85e6, right? The engineering numbers make the most sense to me, because of the separation points.

(2) Rounding up to 2e6/sec, means 20e6 per 10 sec, and 120e6 per min. 1.2e9 per 10 min, and 7.2e9 per hour. That's still tiny. 72e9 per 10 hours, and 720e9 per 100 hours. That's close to 750, which is nicely divisible by 3, meaning 250e9 takes 33 hours. Therefore to reach 1e12, that's 33 times 4, which Is 134 hours. Possibly less for the 100e9 already present, but possibly more because of the rounding. And that's all assuming my passive-eternity gain does not change.

Critique my math homework lol, I did all that without a calculator

[Kyouko Tsukino]

1- You can get up to 3 millions per second. Yes, "less than twice" doesn't sound like a lot, but they may reduce those potential 120 hours down to ~80 hours...

It may be due to your fastest eternity not being at 10ms? The maximum I've seen is 3,046,350 Eternities per second, that's 3e6.

Also, don't round up. The developers already do that for everything, and it just causes things to take a lot longer than you expect them to take when you calculate how long you have left. My SN 156 score stayed at "exactly how much you need for this SN" for five hours, because of rounding up, making the wait far more annoying since there was no way to tell when the required SN score was gong to finally be reached... So if you round up on things that already have plenty of rounding up, you may be underestimating how long something will take heavily, which... Well, it won't change how long it will take, but it will test your patience even more than it could. ;)

[RottingGem]

OK, so it sounds like, getting to the 10ms mark for Fastest Eternity will help.
How do I do that? Aside from running DP build and "min ep 1 time 0" automation?

[Kyouko Tsukino]

Automation is the only way, if you can't lower your fastest eternity time, you need to progress more before trying.

Also as a bonus: "Rage-quitting" would do nothing to help your situation, you get nothing from starting over from zero in an idle game, other than the dreadful feeling that you wasted X days/weeks/months in something that you'll now have to again waste X days/weeks/months in for no reason other than a bad decision. ;)

[RottingGem]

By "automation is the only way" do you mean specifically the "min EP = 1, time = 0" set up?

In idle games, I get the most enjoyment out of watching the numbers go up. I don't enjoy having the numbers simply BE BIG and stationary.
So I would actually enjoy restarting this particular game, to watch the milestones tick past again.
I haven't wasted or lost anything - I have spent zero money on this, and I don't really spend "time" on this game, since it runs minimized in the background while I do other things.
I'm the type who likes rogue-like RPGs. I don't mind starting over if I have gained knowledge and mastery from a run.

[spidweb01]

You "can" do the eternity build for hours along with auto eternity set to 1 and 0 just to increase the Eternity count and hope for the lucky 10 ms.

You can also just keep going and at DTP 41 the Eternity and AP build become the same, so you will gain Eternities that way.

I got the last achievement with fastest Eternity time of 16 ms, so it's certainly not necessary to get it down to the 10 ms, but it is definitely better if you can.

*EDIT: If I did the math correctly, you need about 15 hrs to get to 1e11 eternities which is approximately what you need for the better Dilation Build.

[spidweb01]

Originally posted by RottingGem:

I'm in the endgame crawl. Following the excellent spidweb01 guide, I seem to be way behind in total Eternities. I'm currently doing an AP-farming build, the tree is at C1-T1155-M1555-B5510.

Also, if you are following the guide, that point distribution doesn't seem right for the AP build. C1 - T1115 - M1455 - B5515 (40 pts with point 41 finishing M2)