Endgame loop at SN154/DTP41

[ffrotty]

so i'm farming eternities and animal points (slowly) with
C1-T1115-M1555-B5515

What loop process should I follow?

The hits for respeccing DTP is huge to the point that I don't want to switch back if it effectively caps out without gaining anything, say switching to supernova just to find out it's not going to make it +1.

Is it just taking a hit going back to DTP farm build to boost DU levels, then back to AP farm? Is there a focus on DUs at this point and effectively ignoring the others?

Does anyone have a detailed threshold on DU / AP / Eternity to push for each supernova? Up to this point i was overkilling multiple levels of supernova at once so i didn't notice any pattern.

[Kyouko Tsukino]

Getting back the levels from DTPs isn't as "huge" as many think, specially if you do it after farming eternities. It's just a 5% on the top 3 upgrades, which takes, at worst, half an hour to gain back and increase, unless you're messing something else.

Don't focus on the Supernovas, what you need is to gain more DTPs so you can effectively farm both eternities and animals (should happen by DTP 44) and get SN157 (around DTP 46) which is probably the last possible one right now (both score and EP increase at a snail's pace after that, to the point they may not be increasing at all.)

If you haven't yet, try putting all your lab upgrade points to common exponent. You have enough free lab points that you don't need to put any points into anything else but the strongest boost.

[ffrotty]

thanks, yep that build is AP+eternities so i'll just idle on that and go between that and dtp. i think my build covers AP+eternites since the only nonmaxed points are DP gain and supernova

[Jecht]

I'm also at DTP 41. Just sitting waiting to get AP to 400,000. My EP is 1.06e12

After that I might grind some DP.

[ShaKu]

Im at dtp 40 wondering how much more i need to get to 41, sitting at 355k AP and 1.7e11 eternitys, but can only get to like e860/e880 from the dtp 41

[Kyouko Tsukino]

Supernovas and lab upgrade distribution are also important. By that point, you want to go full common exponent, the rest of the upgrades get more than enough boosts from free lab upgrade points.

Also patience - depending on your SN, AP and eternities, it can take you a long time. Farming those three for a long* time can help reduce the wait.

* Long, unlike most young people these days seem to think, does not equal "half an hour." It's closer to half a day or beyond. ;)

[muljostpho]

I'm at 154 supernovas and 40 DTPs myself. I'm currently at e780 range DP costs for next levels in the dilation upgrades and 10e879 DP cost for the next DTP. AP are at 312k and eternities are at 1.21e12 and RP are at 15604 (all in common exponent).

Current build for DP/DTP is C5, T1515, M5155, B1150. (C has a x13.1e405 effect on DP gain, 2nd T has a x1.79e36 effect on DP gain (lack of points on 4th B doesn't help, but I seem to recall this being the weakest one when I did try a build with 4th B maxed as well), 3rd B has a x93.2e105 effect on DP gain, and 1st M has a x2.71 effect on 2nd DU which means that 2nd DU has a x323e186 effect on DP gain.)

I haven't ever been able to guess when a supernova push will successfully gain 1 or more new supernovas. It's pure gamble each time I try a supernova build. But most of the time I just swap back and forth between DP build and AP build every few days or so. I try a supernova build at random after however many cycles back and forth between DP and AP.

EDIT: I had gotten my eternities count to 1.01e12 ages ago at 13 DTP and then I ignored it at that point. (I don't know if it was true, but some comment I saw around that time claimed that 1e12 was more than enough to reach max DTP.) It's only recently started going up again because I have extra DTP to spend after covering anything supernova or AP gains relevant in the supernova build and the AP build. (So why not throw it in eternities gain, right?)

[Kyouko Tsukino]

Shouldn't take days to get there, and the "right" time to try pushing for a supernova (or three) seems to be right after gaining one more DTP. And just in case - don't do a SN push right after an AP push - your third DP upgrade will be weaker due to the added 5% losses, so you'll be missing enough lab power that it could make a SN take days instead of hours.

[muljostpho]

Yeah, I didn't specifically say it in my post by I have specifically only tried for each supernova run directly following a DP run, not after an AP run. It just seems to take a bit of back and forth between DP and AP runs before another supernova run is viable.

Anyway... *shrug* I could be not paying enough attention / being TOO patient, but it seems like any AP run I do recently takes at least a day just to ramp up to where it can start earning any new AP points. (Up until then it's just playing catch-up with the previous score and iP records that bought AP before.) Then it's another day or two after that to actually farm a good chunk of points out of it.

[Kyouko Tsukino]

You may need "a few" more eternities. But since you may be able to farm both those and APs at the point you're at.

The problem with "expert" guides laying around in some pseudo-gaming sites, is that they're made once and forgotten - the authors usually don't get paid to keep them up to date, and writing guides for those gaming sites is a "labor of love." Love for money, that is. ;)

Edit: And yes, at the point you're at, getting back to where APs can be farmed can take a very long time, so you have to commit to APs and let it run for a few days - online, not offline, the offline gains are up to par for most idle games, as in "a pittance."

[spidweb01]

Originally posted by muljostpho:

I haven't ever been able to guess when a supernova push will successfully gain 1 or more new supernovas. It's pure gamble each time I try a supernova build. But most of the time I just swap back and forth between DP build and AP build every few days or so. I try a supernova build at random after however many cycles back and forth between DP and AP.

EDIT: I had gotten my eternities count to 1.01e12 ages ago at 13 DTP and then I ignored it at that point. (I don't know if it was true, but some comment I saw around that time claimed that 1e12 was more than enough to reach max DTP.) It's only recently started going up again because I have extra DTP to spend after covering anything supernova or AP gains relevant in the supernova build and the AP build. (So why not throw it in eternities gain, right?)

Supernova 155 at about mid to late DTP 41
Supernova 156 at about mid to late DTP 44

[eidalac]

I'm currently at 48 DTP, Supernova 158 with 592,357 AP and 1.84e13 Eternities. |

Last two DTP took a long time as each reset of the tree to DTP and back to AP took 5 days (DTP 46) then ~10 days (DTP 47) then ~15 days (DTP 48) to start generating AP again.

Current run has been going for about 30 days I and don't really think I can push DTP any further than 48 and even if I did there are no more useful DTP tree nodes to add to either DP or AP builds at this point, and would take a full tree (17 more DTP) to merge the DP/AP builds.

I don't think I'm going to reset again till either there is an update or i hit Supernova 159, the latter of which seems highly unlikely.