I hate that haircut

[ᚑᚅᚑᚔᚏ]

That's all I care to say.

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Nguyên văn bởi Jack Trades:

Nguyên văn bởi 45:

I'm not making an argument for realism but instead for a consistent art style/aesthetic. This tired counter argument of "the fantasy setting has fantastical elements in it therefore everyone having blue and pink hair is totally normal" is obtuse on it's face. People who draw false-equivilencies like this can't possibly be acting in good faith but, the sad reality is you probably actually think this is a relevant statement.

So is that I "can't possibly be acting in good faith" or do I "actually think this is a relevant statement"? You have to make up your mind there.

Or do you outsource your replies to ChatGPT?

I assumed I made it clear enough. No rational human being can make the comparison in good faith. But I see similar statements made so often that the people making them must just be that dumb because it fails to even the slightest amount of scrutiny. It's not a well reasoned argument. So in fact both are true until one is proven correct, shrodinger's strawman, I supposed.

[1337Dude]

It's pretty weird, because the original character is Persian with blue eyes. Closer to a white person than a black person. But they took the artistic liberty to make the character African, with dreads and everything.

You really have to ask yourself what's going through the minds of the devs. I understand there are financial DEI incentives, but there's a point where they're just blatantly insulting our intelligence.

[ND]

All these fake gamer tourists whining about how Sargon doesn't look like the old Prince of Persia don't even know that you don't play as the prince but as a member of his ROYAL GUARD, the Immortals. You are rescuing the prince who has been kidnapped. Such a bodyguard could have come from anywhere in the wider Middle East region or further away since a major empire such as Persia would have had extensive contact with other cultures, historically. Not to mention all art is a product of its time and influenced by current culture as much as its subject matter. You complain about hip hop in the trailer (not in the game btw) while Sands of Time had electric guitar music. Did they have those in Ancient Persia?

(sidenote: almost every Ubisoft trailer ever has had modern music while the actual soundtrack is a mix of setting appropriate sounds and light anachronistic influences)

Changing the main character to a Sands of Time skin would be the most inaccurate thing since then you would be playing as the prince rescuing himself!

We actually don't know much at all about what hairstyles people did and didn't have in the past because that is not something that was preserved in the archaeological record beyond what we can loosely extrapolate from contemporary descriptions or illustrations. So all the "but historical accuracy"-whiners are 100% full of ♥♥♥♥ on this.

People who say this game doesn't have a consistent look also have no idea what they are talking about. This game's art direction is immaculate and that includes all the characters.

Plus, if we're talking series history: do you even know that the original 1989 Prince game by Jordan Mechner featured a rotoscoped pixel white guy with blonde hair? Not very Persian.

This game is the most Persian this series has ever been focusing specifically on Persian culture and history and not (like previous entries) more general 1001 Arabian nights via Hollywood vibes. You can even play the game with Persian voices and subtitles!

If you're choosing to skip Lost Crown because of the terrible opinions of some far right anti-woke grifters on Youtube and twitter who won't shut up about Sargon (who isn't even the prince) supposedly being 'too African', then you are missing out on an excellent gorgeous looking game and easily one of the best games in the series. Too bad for you.

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Nguyên văn bởi ND:

All these fake gamer tourists whining about how Sargon doesn't look like the old Prince of Persia

Nobody is saying that, they're specifically criticizing his black zoomer hair as it looks terrible and doesnt fit the setting. But that didn't stop you from typing up 8 paragraphs attacking a strawman that doesn't exist.

[ND]

You must be bad at reading because literally everything I talked about above describes actual 'criticisms' people have been making about this game both here and everywhere online, that are very much existent. I specifically addressed the silly hair argument as well. No straw here, but by all means keep pretending you're all "just asking questions".

There is no substance to the original post, hardly worth a reaction, but if you're looking for straw men and other dubious 'reasoning' there's plenty in this thread.

I'm not going to bother with any further back and forth on this, since that seems like a waste of time, but feel free to keep obsessing about the perceived ethnicity and hair-styles of game characters OR maybe get a life and try enjoying videogames instead of hating them.

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Nguyên văn bởi ND:

literally everything I talked about above describes actual 'criticisms' people have been making about this game both here

Nope it doesn't, that's why it doesn't quote any posts here. Ive followed the thread, looks out of time and has a terrible zoomer style. I'm not reading 3 paragraphs because the first sentence is a bold faced lie.

[Pingu]

so many snowflakes, oh well it's winter, so i guess it fits

[ムハンマド・スンブル]

literally the ONLY reason I refuse to buy the game lol

[jura7ik]

So, to sum up this discussion thread - some people refuse to buy the game because they don't like the look of the main protagonist. That's a valid reason, although it is a bit superficial. I occasionally disliked a game for its design or setting, but I sometimes bought or was gifted such games and enjoyed them in the end. Looks don't matter that much if the gameplay is solid.

But the absurd part is that some try to justify their dislike of the game design by saying that the game is not 'Persian' enough because of the protagonist and should be more like some of the previous titles. I mean... did you people even play the game or watch some gameplay?

The game is inspired by old Persian legends and lore (Simurgh). Many characters are either historical or mythological figures from Persia (Thomyris, Darius). The environments and architectural designs are based on Persia; they use Persian cuneiform script, and the game is fully dubbed in Farsi/Persian. It is by far the most accurate Persia-inspired game in the series. Not all, but many previous titles borrowed heavily from Arabian culture and contain very little from actual Persia/Iran. The producers obviously did their homework when it comes to old Persian culture.

A French studio made the game. France has a significant minority of black people, which might be a reason why the studio decided on a black protagonist. I remember watching the Julie Lescot series as a kid, and it was one of the first TV shows I saw with a black protagonist. So, in my mind, I always thought of black people as an integral part of French culture. Some of the arguments in this thread seem to me like they come from people with a purely American perspective. Just because there are black people in the game does not mean they made that decision because of some overseas culture wars/social conflicts. Game producers from my country (Czechia) were criticized for insufficient diversity of their game characters... in a game taking place in medieval Europe. Czechia is an ethnically very homogeneous country. The ethnic composition and culture of the country where the game is produced impact the final product. Please try not to project your worldview into every other nation.

TLDR: if you don't like how Sargon looks, that's a valid reason not to buy the game. It's a very solid Metroidvania, though, so I recommend you at least try it. And please, don't say the game/setting is incorrect just because of Sargon's look. That's just not true. The game is as Persian as it can be ;-)

[AnnOnymous01010010]

oOooo

[nicki]

are you brainless or dont know how to read you can change this ugly dreaded monkey after the start of the game to an old looking prince

[Matze]

Nguyên văn bởi PeteThePanda:

hate the character look in general, played the earlier ones on ps2 back in the day but this just makes me annoyed, might be a great game tho but not for me.

You can change the character to make him look like any other prince from Sands of Time onward.

[tues]

Same here. I was quite excited at first to see a new 2D platformer in the series (even though I loved the 3D trilogy too) and almost bought it, but as soon as I saw the main character I was no longer sure I was looking at a PoP game. WTF?

I'm glad I didn't buy it though, because then I learned about Ubisoft Connect. What a shame...

I guess they really want people to get cracked games for free instead? Weird business model. Sadly I'm too old for that so I'll just skip it entirely.

[princeofshadows9]

Ironically I find it more "tryhardy" than the actual Dark Prince look which is what I'm running as default. And the Dark Prince is the DEFINITION of tryhard

[Shucks]

Honestly it doesnt make sense that hes the main protagonist considering who his mom and brother are supposed to be. (You learn later in the game).

Kinda seems like they just shoehorned him in. Otherwise its a great game but its still immersion breaking.