This game is dying and its us old player's fault.

[Caramelize]

This happens in 90% of my games. Either its 2 new sharks against 3+ experienced divers who for some reason all go harpoons and camp the sharks winning 30 kills to 15 in a completely unfun way for sharks, or the opposite 2 2000 game sharks against 3 5 game divers who go thresher mako hammerhead and kill them with less than 5 sharks killed.

Adjust your playstyle to your enemy team if you want this game to live. When i'm against new sharks i buy double net or double sensor as i know its unfair if i go hard against them and no fun for anyone involved. I never see sharks do the same. If you are against 3 20 games or less players stop rushing powerful tail give them a chance to play the game or they will quit.

I dont understand why this is hard to understand.

I have invited at least 5 friends to play this game and none of them have lasted more than 10 games because of cancerous sharks and divers who have 1000+ games. We are now at 150 cocurrent players, you have no one to blame but yourselves.

[Just Chill]

Yes, i suck.

[aleee]

Although I don't "try hard" against new players, in fact I don't try hard at all, I play this game relaxed. I let divers get free safes if the other shark agrees of course, if I let the other shark by himself when he doesn't wanna give free safes then Im ruining his game.

I already posted in anoter topic like this saying this exact same thing, I started playing Depth and it was the same thing for me, I would win games agains other new players at the time but get completely rekt by just one high level in my game, now depending on the enemy team I can solo carry a full lvl 100 diver team (yes there is a wide range of skill in the level 100 bracket but you get the point). The only reason I can do this is because for every time a single high level won against me when I was new I chose to keep playing and git gud.

In my opinion this is the symptom of these newer games that hold your hand and even when you lose the screen says something like "atleast you tried". Older games like Half-Life for example didn't do this, you could save the game with low hp and then good luck beating the next area. My point is, people should play the game because they like the game not because they are winning or getting placebo rewards like level up.

TL;DR people should play games because they like it not because of wins or item/level rewards.

[Seraph]

So what does a veteran do if he/she wants to complete their win/kills quest and not spend 5 games over doing so?

[hey buddy]

pistol kill quests are great when the sharks are new

[Carina Ayland]

I kind of agree that vets should go easy on the noobs...but this game is like any other multiplayer/life: LEARN the hard way. So maybe people should just grow up, deal with it and have fun.

[Caramelize]

Eh i don't do the quests unless they happen by accident because i hate loot boxes so i can't answer what you should do to complete your quests, but think of the game. That 5 game diver you killed 22 times in a game or that 5 game shark you made leave the game because he couldn't try any evolutions isn't gonna keep playing and theres one less person making it to the 100 game mark when people start learning to play the game.

[RageMojo]

This is why i quit and come back. When the population drops, the games become more and more filled with Pro's that have no interest in helping others get good, they only want to rip the other team apart as quickly as they can. This chases noobs away and hence the game never really grows.

[Seraph]

Originally posted by DynamicDragon:

I kind of agree that vets should go easy on the noobs...but this game is like any other multiplayer/life: LEARN the hard way. So maybe people should just grow up, deal with it and have fun.

Yeah. It's the same on any other competitive game - especially assymetrical ones that require skill like this one does. I had a look on the Dead by Daylight community hub the other day (what a cesspool that is) and saw so many threads about veterans stomping free week players and when someone suggests a change or nerf they get replies like "oh look, another 80 hours player who just doesn't know how to play survivor."

[Just Chill]

Originally posted by aleee:

TL;DR people should play games because they like it not because of wins or item/level rewards.

Nothing more to add.
Except...
I paid for that game as anyone else, so I can play the game in the way I want to.
Back then in December 2014, when I started to play, no one took my hand and I also haven't asked for.
I just play the game as I find it very entertaining and I don't bother about the outcome.
And I got raped A LOT and still have pretty mixed outcome, which is fine. It keeps the game interesting.

What I bother are people, who tell others how they should play.

But I just take it as their opinions, which I don't have to share.
No offense.

[Seraph]

Originally posted by Caramelize:

Eh i don't do the quests unless they happen by accident because i hate loot boxes so i can't answer what you should do to complete your quests, but think of the game. That 5 game diver you killed 22 times in a game or that 5 game shark you made leave the game because he couldn't try any evolutions isn't gonna keep playing and theres one less person making it to the 100 game mark when people start learning to play the game.

Originally posted by RageMojo:

This is why i quit and come back. When the population drops, the games become more and more filled with Pro's that have no interest in helping others get good, they only want to rip the other team apart as quickly as they can. This chases noobs away and hence the game never really grows.

I do go easy when I don't have quests, and I used to give tips and try to help but people either don't respond at all or pre-emptively act like a toxic ♥♥♥♥ so I have no sympathy for them.

I also don't expect or have had people hold my hand when I'm new to a game. It might sound meme-y but it's literally a git gud situation when starting to play a skill-based multiplayer game.

[Carina Ayland]

Originally posted by Seraph:

I do go easy when I don't have quests, and I used to give tips and try to help but people either don't respond at all or pre-emptively act like a toxic ♥♥♥♥ so I have no sympathy for them.

I also don't expect or have had people hold my hand when I'm new to a game. It might sound meme-y but it's literally a git gud situation when starting to play a skill-based multiplayer game.

And that's why the curbstomping happens so frequently, because people tries to help and what do they get in return? BS... So they'll have to either adapt to the game and it's difficulty or accept they should find another hobby that isn't gaming...

[Just Chill]

However...
OP I define your profile pic as delicious.
I am close to a sugar shock just because of looking at it.

In addition,
yeah this is OT either, but I already said everything I had to say in my first two posts. ^^

[Carina Ayland]

This is off topic, but, Caramelize, did you get that Randall out of a drop or out of the market? just purel curious

[ImSexyAndiNOED]

It happened that me and my friend went easy on sharks and lost. At the end of the game they said "gg EZ fk noobs". I always tried to give an advice,but 90% of EU players don't speak english ,so it can get annoying seeing they don't try to listen.

[Ray G.]

Originally posted by Caramelize:

I dont understand why this is hard to understand.

It's easy to understand, but what you think is the most logical thing to do doesn't work in actual practice. Lots of us tried going easy on new players, many still do. Did it ever help? Not really. Back in the day there were a lot of new players that came in to the game and a lot of veterans were very vocal about going easy on them because we had a huge fresh playerbase so most of us went super easy on people. Not to mention that with over few thousands playerbase that we had it was extremely rare to be queued against a veteran for any new player. How did it turn out? The community still went down to 150-300 in just few months. So who do we blame?

People need to understand one thing instead of blaming veterans - new players tends to leave the game anyway and not because they were killed by more skilled players. They leave because that's just the order of things, not every player will be instantly hooked to Depth taking into account how many games there are out there and the nature of the highly skill based game like Depth is appealing to very low % of players. People who will want to stick with the game will stick to the game regardless of what vetarans do, mostly because they understand the concept of skill based games with small community and they don't mind. They stay here for the fun, challanging gameplay and/or community because that's what is appealing to them.