Dropsy
SUPER_HELPFUL Sep 12, 2015 @ 12:55am
[SPOILERS] The True Antagonist
So it's established right off the bat that the circus tent fire is started by a cigar, and then promptly blamed on Dropsy. Except that as far as I can tell, Dropsy doesn't smoke.

Plenty of people in the game smoke (one substance or another), but only one person in the game smokes cigars, and that is the Junkyard King.

So JK starts the fire, whether it's maliciously or not is up to debate, and then places the blame on Dropsy to cover his tracks. When Dropsy's father needs to look for work, the only person that will hire him is JK as he is the only one that knows Dropsy and his family aren't actually bad people.

I'm not sure on this, but at some point the CEO's brother and father were both killed in a fire, which I assume took place in the ruins of their barn. Since Dropsy was blamed for the circus fire, the CEO blamed him for the death of his bother and father as well.

When it came time for him to take his revenge on the perceived killer of his family, JK assisted him not only in creating the poster depicting Dropsy as a fire starting murderer, but also in supplying him with animals. The underground cart route leads directly to the fair grounds, as well as the underground lab. We can even see one of their early creations in the form of the mutant junkyard rat.

The Junkyard King is the real villain of the story.

Anyways this is just a theory I came up with while stuck in traffic the other day. I'd love to hear what anyone else thinks, as there are probably some things I didn't notice, and there are some things that haven't been unlocked yet like the beach and the peninsula.
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I don't think he is the only cigar smoker.

In his office, the S corp guy who is the main villain has a cigar case too, right?
ShadowNate Sep 12, 2015 @ 1:21am 
These are some interesting ideas. The JK seems to definitely be somehow connected with the "5" snack-cakes factory CEO.

But CEO and Dropsy and the other brother who we only see mentioned in letters or appear in pictures, are all brothers and all... presumably of alien origin. You can see them all together in the hologram when you assemble the dropsy statue. Also they all have the alien "rescue" pods in their locations (2 at the basement/cellar of the CEO and 1 at Dropsy's circus where his new parents found him as a baby)..
And the CEO seems to have killed his other brother and his (earth) father, based on those pictures in the cellar and the note in the trailer house
SUPER_HELPFUL Sep 12, 2015 @ 2:07am 
Originally posted by ShadowNate:
These are some interesting ideas. The JK seems to definitely be somehow connected with the "5" snack-cakes factory CEO.

But CEO and Dropsy and the other brother who we only see mentioned in letters or appear in pictures, are all brothers and all... presumably of alien origin. You can see them all together in the hologram when you assemble the dropsy statue. Also they all have the alien "rescue" pods in their locations (2 at the basement/cellar of the CEO and 1 at Dropsy's circus where his new parents found him as a baby)..
And the CEO seems to have killed his other brother and his (earth) father, based on those pictures in the cellar and the note in the trailer house


I just realized what the faces on the wall of the underground were thanks to you.

Also according to "Dropsy's Book of Secrets" Dropsy was planned to have a brother, and it's possible that the CEO got paired up with Dropsy's brother when the farmer found them both
Uncertain Sep 12, 2015 @ 2:55am 
In Dropsy's dream with the big blue finger pointing at him, there are five gravestones in the background with tally marks on them from one to five. In another dream there are five ghosts in the background, who seem to be those five people (Vicar guy, Dropsy's mother, Oddity Shop guy's wife, and two more I don't recognise).

I reckon those five people died in the circus fire, and if Dropsy had also been blamed for a second fire then I think it'd have affected him as badly as the first, and he'd be dreaming about at least seven dead people. It also seems convenient that the big evil corporation is named 5, and the news on TV is all "5 years later - did Dropsy do it?" with a big bleeding number 5 on the screen.

I'm not sure where King fits into it, but he definitely seems fairly heavily involved. I can't see how the islanders could blame Dropsy for the circus fire unless someone set him up or at least framed him.

I thought the CEO's whole plan was just to profit from Dropsy's reputation by making him look malicious, but I just realised that the end-game posters of Evil Arsonist Dropsy with the Reaper sneaking up on him read "JUDGEMENT COMES". I finished the game before learning to read, so I didn't realise the whole idea was to kill Dropsy in front of everyone until just now.

It's such a needlessly elaborate murder plot that I think it must be revenge for something or other, even though King and CEO Guy must be the only two people who could really confirm Dropsy's innocence. If CEO just wants the Space Throne, there's no need to create huge mutant animal friends, because presumably nobody's going to miss Dropsy the maligned freak if he falls in the river one day. Maybe he just hates clowns?

Given that there's a religion worshipping Thor the 60s vampire hunter and the Southernmost obelisks were "erected 3 years ago by a lost civilization", I'm not totally convinced the rest of the plot will make as much sense as we're hoping. I thought the computer in the shed would be a big deal, but it seems to just be a half-finished normal letter. :benny:
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Herb Sep 12, 2015 @ 3:31am 
On the news pages for the fire 5 years ago they talk about 5 victims, which are shown to be Dropsy's mother, the wife of the costume shop owner, the local priest, and an apparent family of three, father, mother and a baby. But that'd make six, so I thought that the father perhaps survived and now as the CEO of the company has a revenge plot against Dropsy.

But one of the family must have survived. The kid maybe? When you enter the playground for the first time, the boy running away in terror looks inda like he would fit. I never got the dream with the ghosts, or I can't really remember them.

Also: where the three mutans in the end really Dropsy's animal friends or just random animals that the CEO mutated? You don't really get an explanation as to how the three end up on the spaceship at the end, I can't interact with them there.

And what's with the countless dead miners at and in the mine? Why did they have pages from that book from that weird religion? Why where they opposed to the corporation?
Uncertain Sep 12, 2015 @ 3:59am 
Ending Sequence, Animal Friends & King Dropsy stuff

My guess is that the big three mutated animals weren't actually Dropsy's friends, but lookalikes, seeing as there's a big production line of animals under the dock/fairground/thing. Judging by how bedraggled CEO looks beyond the portal though, it could be the case that the animal friends were mutated, chased CEO all the way through the portal, and were sucked up and de-mutated again by the healing beam of light.

I just checked the end sequence again, and the table in the CEO's secret cellar does indeed display a cigar box and a loose cigar, incidentally. I didn't notice the baby in the dream, but I might have missed it (see Extra section below - confirmed no baby in the dream, interestingly). The fire must mean a lot to the CEO if he has these articles on his wall though.

It seems that CEO needed access to the shed to steal Dropsy's pod's power supply, so that he could power the pillars with it, open the portal and admire that wonderful statue to his heart's content. Maybe Dropsy's power core was the only one designed to allow its passenger to return and claim the Space Throne, and CEO kept him alive until the last minute so that he could find it and claim the throne for himself?

The thingy on CEO's head in one of his paintings appears to match the crown on the Queen's head in the hologram at the end, so I guess he does fancy himself King. The hologram also shows Dropsy as a baby beside his two older brothers, so I'd guess he came to Earth a few years after his brothers did (even though the pods are designed for babies and the picture shows them all standing together at different ages with the Queen...)

I wonder if this means they have a heirarchy where the youngest-born takes the throne. Or perhaps they are Time Clowns.


Miners & Pillars stuff

I think the miners excavated the Northern pillars, probably guided by CEO/5 who seems to have been searching for the pillar locations, as well as trying to figure out which pillars were the right ones for a certain purpose (this is based on the crossed-out and circled 3-pillar areas on his map in his cellar). I'm not sure what actually happened to the miners, unless they discovered some forbidden truth during the excavation and were murdered to cover it up.

The guy in the city who seems to be protesting 5 has a lot of posters and stuff reading "Open the mine!", so it seems fairly likely that the miners' deaths, the discovery of the Northern pillars and the mine being closed all happened for the same reason(s) at the same time, and the miners' families probably never learned how, why or even whether they died. I guess 5 oversaw the whole thing, but I have no clue what that has to do with vampires. Dropsy's species is super-pale, but none of them have the vampire face everyone fears.

I suppose it could've been a real vampire, but a stingy mining industry mogul vampire seems a bit of a stretch.


Vampire & Religious stuff

As far as I can tell, the thing with the vampire is left very vague, and it only seems to connect meaningfully with everything else if we assume Thor and CEO are the same person (seems impossible). The religious pages say something like "We were slaves, starving, mining for only $6 a day! Then He visited us, vanquished the vampire and showed us how to vanquish ours!" It seems that this happened in 1961, a Thor 2 film was released in '77 and the current date is 1st December 1991.

I'm not sure if this implies that this island has practically no historical records or world knowledge, and they think that this movie character was a real person. The pillars erected 3 years ago by a lost civilisation is so weird I'm not sure what to make of the whole apparent timeline. Usually a static placard with historical information wouldn't read "3 years ago" anyway, because time tends to pass after it's been written. Confusing.

With the pickaxe thing being the symbol of their religion and most of them having apparently been driven away to this small community in the South-West, it's as if 5 wants to cover up the mining incident so badly that the whole island's local history has been completely banned and erased from common knowledge. The last few people who have any awareness of it have been reduced to conspiracy theorists and fringe cultists. I don't quite believe this idea, but it's the best guess I can piece together.


Extra! (loose ends and wild theories)

I just re-checked the dream featuring the ghosts from the fire, and the baby isn't in the
dream. The baby is a strange loose end I can't place.

CEO is the only member of Dropsy's species we see who isn't rotund with a huge chiseled skull. I thought he might be an impostor or human/clown hybrid, but there're 3 pods total even after the shed is destroyed, so CEO did come to Malus in his own pod with his brothers after all. I have no idea why CEO looks so unusual. Perhaps in Space Clown world, he is the freak.

Finally, I should mention King seeing as he's the main topic: I think ultimately he's a willing but largely ignorant pawn who's really good at drawing and loves money.
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Jay Tholen Sep 12, 2015 @ 3:27pm 
my goodness, you guys are good. i'm not gonna confirm or deny anything - but I will say that a few more questions will be answered in our beach update. :)
The Faceless Man Sep 12, 2015 @ 4:37pm 
Originally posted by Jay Tholen:
my goodness, you guys are good. i'm not gonna confirm or deny anything - but I will say that a few more questions will be answered in our beach update. :)
you bastard! laying easter eggs like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bunny! what's wrong wit u?!?! playing too much freddy's? XD
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nikonekonyaa Sep 12, 2015 @ 9:10pm 
Originally posted by Ens. M.:
On the news pages for the fire 5 years ago they talk about 5 victims, which are shown to be Dropsy's mother, the wife of the costume shop owner, the local priest, and an apparent family of three, father, mother and a baby. But that'd make six, so I thought that the father perhaps survived and now as the CEO of the company has a revenge plot against Dropsy.

I thought the wife of the costume shop owner died in a car crash? On the road towards the circus there's tire tracks running off the road down the hill and that's where you find the picture of her surrounded by a rock heart. Though that might just be me misunderstanding since where I'm from we only put that sort of thing by roads when someone's died in an accident.
jpxdude Sep 13, 2015 @ 1:12am 
Played through the game and managed to complete it early this morning. Absolutely loved it!

Love also reading the theories above and the translation for the in game text. I am a bit confused about the end, and don't entirely get the correlation of Dropsy being shot then warped away to some space throne. Could it be that Dropsy died and this was his afterlife?

One thing for sure is that there are a few loose ends I need to tie up in the story still, so I'll be playing through again soon! :)
EckyThump Sep 13, 2015 @ 8:42am 
Here's my take on it.

Many years ago - three pods arrived on Malus from another world. Each contained a baby - Dropsy, the S-company CEO, and an unnamed brother. Dropsy was adopted by his circus parents, the other two were adopted by a single parent who ran a wheat company.
(Proofs - we find a photo of the latter two children and their adoptive father at the shack near the construction site, the shack has a company logo outside, an 'S' with wheat stalks.
Then look at the top of the room in the CEO's office. It shows first the 'S' logo with the wheat, then another S logo from later on. Now he's using one that looks like a 5, but it's still an S, I am sure - it is the same company.)

Speculation - the CEO learned of his origins from that clown statue, the one Dropsy can fully assemble near the end. He saw himself, two siblings, and a mother wearing a crown. He then hides the pieces.
I don't know where the pieces came from. They might have arrived on earth in the pods, but then presumably Dropsy's parents always owned the 'ball' part and the CEO never had it. Or maybe it had only been found recently, I don't know.

Learning his origins, and destiny, he murdered his earth father and the sibling he had been raised with.
(Proofs - in the shack is a letter asking his father and brother to meet him in the basement for a 'surprise'. Note that in the basement is a suspiciously out of place-looking red-bricked corner, with flies buzzing through a crack. This, I am sure, is where the bodies are. We see pictures of the CEO wearing his mother's crown and commanding mutant beasts.)

Five years ago - he started the fire at the circus, in an attempt to get rid of his other brother. He had known for a while there was another sibling, but perhaps only just located him.
The fire killed five people. Since Dropsy survived, the CEO is possibly also behind the news and media articles that are calling him guilty.
(Proofs - one of Dropsy's dreams shows five graves. In the CEO's basement is a newspaper article showing the victims. Dropsy's adoptive mother, the priest, the costume store owner's wife, and an unnamed couple. The couple are holding a baby, but there was no baby in the dream, it must have survived.)
Speculation - we don't know how recent the photo of the dead couple was, but I say it is safe to assume the child is 5-6 'now', meaning there's a chance it was the fair-haired boy in the playground who runs away. He's wearing the same red shirt and sleeveless sweater as the man in the photo - not that it necessarily means anything.

Speculation - Three years ago - the CEO erected those obelisks as part of his plan to get home. The mineral needed to make them was found in the mine - it can be seen in the room with the laser cannon. He used the mine to test the obelisks, he had identified three spots on the island which could be used, though concluded that the mine setup and the 'alien tunnel' trio were not suitable.
Counterpoint - each obelisk trio has a different shaped 'slot' for a power source. The mine has a square one, the alien tunnel's is pyramidal. These match the tops of the two power sources in the CEO's basement. So that possibly points towards the obelisks always being there for this reason, and why Dropsy's power source was needed specifically, to power the functioning trio.

So, as for the events of the game, the CEO wants to kill Dropsy and decides to do it in the form of a public execution. Why? Well he is kinda crazy, what with the murders and whatnot. Maybe it was to get more people hooked on his cream buns, or just to give the public what he thought they wanted.
He used Dropsy's three animal friends, mutating them into monsters, to make him sad before his death. There was no real reason for him to not use them, I'd say the proof that they are his friends, is why they did not attack him, but played with him instead.
The CEO shoots at them and flees, now that all is lost he needs to get the power source needed to open the portal home. The mutated animals follow him, we know this due to the trail of destruction - flipped cars, etc. The CEO looks dishevelled because he had to abandon his car and carry the power source while being hunted/chased. Dropsy's father may have chased him too. So he makes it through to a desolate world with only a statue for company.
Speculation - the statue is of the clown civilisation's king, and the trio's biological father.

He shoots Dropsy, and the clowns in their big top spaceship beam him up.
They leave the CEO, knowing he is monster and a murderer.
The space clowns are masters of medical technology (Speculation - is where the CEO's mutation machine and medical cream buns came from) so it's no problem for them to heal Dropsy and un-mutate his friends. Dropsy meets them all again at the throne room, and finishes the game by hugging his biological mother.


Phew. I guess to me there are still a few questions.
- Why were the children sent to Malus in the first place? Was the planet about to be destroyed, is that why they are in a spaceship?
- Were the obelisks always there or did the CEO make them. We saw a diagram of them at Dropsy's home, presumably taken from his pod. Was it to let him know they were special or were they schematics to build them.
Gaston Sep 13, 2015 @ 11:12am 
I wonder if any more lore will be explained in the beach update.
Jay Tholen Sep 13, 2015 @ 9:52pm 
yep! the area was actually one of the earliest parts I planned for the game - but since the main progression didn't run through it, we cut it for time. I'm glad we're going to be able to add it back in :)
Kocel Sep 14, 2015 @ 2:52am 
Can't wait for the new area. I failed to assemble the Dropsy statue, so I'm going to have to look that up between now and the new area coming out, make a second run when the time comes.
Wow. Did the CEO shoot anyone or anything, or did he just shoot at Dropsy and the animals?
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