This game is rigged to be pay to win only

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Every game i played on browser is the same, only players who spend money on cosmetics and gacha gets winning tiles. My first 2 games on steam platform comes with 13 Yao for my 2 decked out fancy cosmetics opponents. You are better off playing an offline Mahjong VN than this rigged game.

[BLVK3]

Messaggio originale di Missingno.:

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

the tile orders are generated on the fly, not pre-set

Messaggio originale di Missingno.:

Alright look, I know this thread is bait, but I think it's necessary to point something out for anyone who doesn't already know about this.

If you click the dora indicator in the top left, you will see a MD5 hash of the wall, generated at the start of each deal. After the game, you can check the log, look at the wall, and verify that it matches the hash, confirming that draws were never tampered with. For more on this check their FAQ.[mahjongsoul.yo-star.com]

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

if you try to force this

Found your problem. Unless you are already close, you should typically* avoid trying to force a particular yaku and just play tile efficiency. Trying to force anything will reduce your efficiency, and while there are certainly times where that can be +EV, my advice to a beginner is to just focus on tile efficiency for now and let the tiles take you whereever they go.

Also, the implication that you can only win around 20% of hands is... normal. In a four player game, you can't expect any one player to win more than 25% of the time. In practice, that number will be a bit lower than 25%, since some hands will have no winner.

I took a look at my own stats, filtered to last 100 Jade Room games to more accurately judge where I'm currently at, and I'm at a 23.81% win rate. That's considered high, I'm actually trying to work on being less aggressive. Don't ask about my deal-in rate.

I've never spent a dime on MajSoul and I have a Master 1 rank. I'm also 6th Dan on Riichi City and I'm f2p there too. I play IRL too, and I do not feel that's any different.

Riichi Mahjong is a very hard game, and it's easy to fall into confirmation bias - the times when things didn't go your way will stick out in your mind more than the times when they did. I said before to try running your logs through engine analysis[mjai.ekyu.moe] for an outside perspective, you may be surprised at how often the computer will tell that that no, you made the wrong play.

But also, sometimes you just gotta remember the immortal words of Washizu.[i.imgur.com]

I have played mahjong for over 20 years and by no mean a beginner, by forcing certain thing to happen, i was only trying to find out the programming logic and by no mean my everyday play style. and i can tell you that my 20 years+ experience does me jacksh*t here because i am f2p, all i can do is to pull my hair out and accept my defeat before the game starts when i see 3 other players with premium skins

also, if you know any programming at all, the tile order log can be generate on the fly too and any unused tiles are put at the end, that is very simple elementary map table programming so it doesn't mean anything at the end of the day. also, by the game is not tempered with, they mean on player level, as in we can cannot change the tiles on the players hand, AFTER they have been generated and dealt to the players, so no-one can get what anyone wanted by tempering the game memory table.

the DM5 codes can be generate on the fly too, all they have to do is to assign an unused number in the beginning and pretend its a pre set seed, because you can only use that after the game is over, so it doesnt mean jack at the end of the day

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Confirmation bias. As I've pointed out, the MD5 code disproves your claim that walls are being modified on the fly.

[Nasder]

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

... all i can do is to pull my hair out and accept my defeat before the game starts...

I was in a slump and did just this, you know what happened? I played even worse. But I didn't think this game was rigged, I simply thought I was unlucky as no tomorrow. I dropped from Expert 2 to Adept 1. (on a positive note, I got back to Expert rank 2 earlier this week)

I am not saying you're wrong and I'm not saying you're right. But if you want to prove that this game is rigged in favor for paying players. Collect the data on it, I don't mean a handful of times you felt like it happened to you I mean all the games. With sufficient data you will be able to prove that it's not statistically sound.

I personally believe that if this game was rigged in such a manner, it would have been discovered a long time ago with the data to prove it. It would been an outrage and no serious Mahjong player would touch it.

[BLVK3]

i mean, its rigged to a certain degree, and will not let all f2p players lose forever, but its painful enough to feel the game programmed in such a way that when use face premium players, you can literally feel the game want you to lose after you draw the losing tile RIGHT after your hand is ready for the 5th times in a row and it has become a daily pattern.

[Sylastin]

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

i mean, its rigged to a certain degree, and will not let all f2p players lose forever, but its painful enough to feel the game programmed in such a way that when use face premium players, you can literally feel the game want you to lose after you draw the losing tile RIGHT after your hand is ready for the 5th times in a row and it has become a daily pattern.

yeah, stop spead misinformation plz. You can get 1st and RON to face all pay character if know how to discard or hold the right one and of course LUCK. My friend have pay character and still only stay in 3 and 4 because he suck with discard. You know what annoying the most in game ? Its bunch of Ichihime Chii and Pon alot and win with Tanyao lolz

[Nasder]

Feeling it and it being so are very different.

But I can feel and understand where you're coming from. But for me it's not about paying vs non paying players. It's me vs people who call riichi after me.

If I call riichi and someone else call riichi after me, I guarantee that it feels like that player will win on my next discard or call a tsumo to get ippatsu. Or win by drawing a tile I was waiting for.

But honestly, if I look at all my games that's probably not how it actually is. It just feels like that because those situations are the ones that sting a little extra and therefor remembered.

Get a large enough sample size and that feeling will start to fade away.

[BLVK3]

Messaggio originale di Sylastin:

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

i mean, its rigged to a certain degree, and will not let all f2p players lose forever, but its painful enough to feel the game programmed in such a way that when use face premium players, you can literally feel the game want you to lose after you draw the losing tile RIGHT after your hand is ready for the 5th times in a row and it has become a daily pattern.

yeah, stop spead misinformation plz. You can get 1st and RON to face all pay character if know how to discard or hold the right one and of course LUCK. My friend have pay character and still only stay in 3 and 4 because he suck with discard. You know what annoying the most in game ? Its bunch of Ichihime Chii and Pon alot and win with Tanyao lolz

did i not tell you i have 20+ years of mahjong experience? just like driving, if you drive long enough you can tell if something is not right by just pressing on the gas, and its the same sh!t here.

its a game and everyone can win, so you have a chance of winning regardless, but the chances are greater if you pay for a premium skin, that's all i wanted to point out, because they game have to let them see the flashy animation they paid for regardless how sh!tty they may play

[Kraivathin]

Still going on, I see, it's gambling by nature ffs. If you "feel" this and that, then you don't know how to play Mahjong, I presume ? I was playing this game F2P when it was on the mobile, now I see it on steam as F2P, so I dropped some money for them as a thank you for porting to PC, did the gacha, got some character, a stick, and bgm when richii. But, that's all, doesn't made me won more than when I was F2P at all, so, idk wtf are you guys whining about.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

did i not tell you i have 20+ years of mahjong experience?

20 years you say? Alright, so what other clients do you play on and what's your rank? Have you had any notable tournament results?

[BLVK3]

Messaggio originale di Missingno.:

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

did i not tell you i have 20+ years of mahjong experience?

20 years you say? Alright, so what other clients do you play on and what's your rank? Have you had any notable tournament results?

thats is real mahjong with real people and real money, not this pre-set pre-programmed bullsh!t

[Nasder]

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

... thats is real mahjong...

Which version of Mahjong?

[1.2M | Missingno.]

Messaggio originale di Missingno.:

Have you had any notable tournament results?

[Ruldra]

Love seeing all the complaining from people not good enough to climb the ranks and blaming the game for it. Y'all deserve jester awards.

[1.2M | Missingno.]

As I mentioned before, I haven't paid a cent and I have a Master 1 rank. I also have 6th Dan on Riichi City, f2p there too.

If you want to get better at the game, the first step is your own mindset. Convincing yourself the only reason you could possibly be losing must be because the game is rigged means you'll never recognize that there are always things you can do better.

Tell you what, post a log of a game you think was rigged against you. I'll analyze your play and tell you what you could've done better.

[dailankifki]

Messaggio originale di BLVK3:

Messaggio originale di dailankifki:

A tile can't be magically generated to benefit someone if it's already in someone else's hand, discard pile or the dora in the dead wall. The nature of the game itself makes rigging unlikely. The most likely explanation for seeing gacha players perform good is that players who already invested in the game spent more time playing and practicing the game due to sunken cost.

the tile are orders are generated on the fly, not pre-set, you can try playing only the honour tiles from start to finish (dragons, winds, 1s and 9s).

There is a winning combination called all simples, and i am sure you already know this.

if you try to force this combination(this test works especially well in 3 player matches) into your winning condition, and if the game decides that its not your turn to win, you will keep drawing honour tiles, this works 80% of the time and the 20% works because its now your turn to get a chance to win.

Your example of rigging would make the gacha players more likely to LOSE when a f2p goes for All Simples.

If you are forced to draw all the terminals and honors, then your Tsumo chance is forfeit, yes. But at the same time your 3 opponents would be drawing the common numbered tiles and become more likely to discard them and deal someone, including you, a Ron.

Their alternative would be to fold and ruin their hands by playing safer tiles, which would also be good for you. Meanwhile, you are discarding terminals and honors which are usually the safest tiles due to furiten and the less likely person to lose points in the round.

So the proof that such rigging doesn't exist is that it would benefit the f2p player