Picky customers

[MoppBoi37]

I'm in the early game and I made a bunch of weapons over night and put them On my rack.
I made a couple shortswords made of rola, A gold dagger, a Giant killer made of Khanka and put a somewhat failed spear of mediocre quality that was a supposed to be a custom order that I was trying to make back some of the cost on (priced at just under 200 copper)

I had probably 4 or 5 beast hunters come into my shop a whine that my giant killer priced at 1000 copper was just too much. most of the day has gone by and I haven't sold anything.

looking at the book that tells you the type of customers it tells me that your average beast hunter could more than afford the price of my giant killer

I took all the stuff off my rack and moved it to the saved rack and I cobbled together a silver one handed sword as fast as I could and it sold immediately and was bought a peasant of all people.

wtf?!?!

edit: just had two wizard scoff at the price of my 1900 coppers dagger.

[Plowbat]

Same, customer taste doesn't seem to match exactly with what's in the books. I have mages refusing to buy 2500g gold half-spears when the book tells me they have 5k budget minimum... And i have a rack of 5 gold half-spears for them at 50% chance.
Either they have way less gold than written, or i'm the unluckiest possible.

[jfoytek]

If you want to sell fast set to 20% if you want to sell slow set to 15% if you don't want to sell set to 10%....

And if your wanting to have sales be sure you have at least 1 Silver weapon for sale all the time as its most likely to sell....

[BathTree]

Originally posted by jfoytek:

If you want to sell fast set to 20% if you want to sell slow set to 15% if you don't want to sell set to 10%....

And if your wanting to have sales be sure you have at least 1 Silver weapon for sale all the time as its most likely to sell....

All my racks are full and priced at 55% and they're still saying everything is too expensive! Not sure if my save is bugged at this point. Somewhat lost the will to play since I invested most of my money into those weapons.

I've seen a lot of people saying price at 30 or even higher... I have yet to sell anything at those percentages. Am I missing something?

[Plowbat]

what are you making your weapons from? If things are out of budget, then even at 100% they wouldn't buy.
Pricing a 0.04L iron dagger at 35% and a 1.4L gold dagger at 35% is not the same...

I'm making gold and moraka 0.04L daggers right now, priced at ~1800 and they sell pretty damn well at 30%. The only clients not buying are peasants (too low budget), anti-mages (they're made of gold), and soldiers (too low durability).

[BathTree]

I made a moraka Great hammer, 4 Loha spears, 4 Loha short swords, and 4 Loha war pics. The war pics finally sold after pricing them way down. Kinda sucks that you can price out of selling your creations. I understand way more now though. Thanks for your reply!

[MoppBoi37]

Originally posted by Plowbat:

what are you making your weapons from? If things are out of budget, then even at 100% they wouldn't buy.
Pricing a 0.04L iron dagger at 35% and a 1.4L gold dagger at 35% is not the same...

I'm making gold and moraka 0.04L daggers right now, priced at ~1800 and they sell pretty damn well at 30%. The only clients not buying are peasants (too low budget), anti-mages (they're made of gold), and soldiers (too low durability).

I had most of my stuff set to a 15 percent discount from 50 percent.

I think I was just horribly unlucky that day because the next day I had two silver 1h swords as well as new weapon the rack being a horse Chopper...

The peasants snapped up the silver swords at 50% price as if they were secretly from nobility

And two soldiers walked in a snapped up the giant killer and the horse chopper like thier lives depended on it... not before more beast hunters came into to trash talk my giant killer.

Doubled my money today but now I've got another issue i have like only 6300 copper and Rimlard now demands me to make a solid gold 2H sword. I've made the sword twice and metal quality keeps coming out to 0%. I know danm well im not burning the gold.

[Plowbat]

Originally posted by MoppBoi37:

Doubled my money today but now I've got another issue i have like only 6300 copper and Rimlard now demands me to make a solid gold 2H sword. I've made the sword twice and metal quality keeps coming out to 0%. I know danm well im not burning the gold.

Metal quality comes from 2 possible things :
-either you burnt it : melting ore ~30+°C above its melting point will begin damaging it, but if you grab it and pour the molten gold into a mold it stabilizes. The mold itself tells you if it's full for each part (white -> green circle), and under it is the metal quality in %, the same shown in the crucible.
-or your gold is mixed with another metal, making up an unholy mix and not a proper alloy. Check that your crucible is empty, without solid metal residue in it before melting your gold.

After that hammering, quenching and assembling are pretty straightforward and don't affect metal quality. Don't forget to sharpen the sword as well, it's a very important part of finishing the weapon and you'll get "rare" quality at best with no sharpening.

It's funny because with the money given to you, you can buy 3 gold, but if you make it thin enough you can make a satisfactory weapon with only 1 gold and pocket the 6500 money difference quietly.

[Iron Horse]

Originally posted by MoppBoi37:

Originally posted by Plowbat:

what are you making your weapons from? If things are out of budget, then even at 100% they wouldn't buy.
Pricing a 0.04L iron dagger at 35% and a 1.4L gold dagger at 35% is not the same...

I'm making gold and moraka 0.04L daggers right now, priced at ~1800 and they sell pretty damn well at 30%. The only clients not buying are peasants (too low budget), anti-mages (they're made of gold), and soldiers (too low durability).

I had most of my stuff set to a 15 percent discount from 50 percent.

I think I was just horribly unlucky that day because the next day I had two silver 1h swords as well as new weapon the rack being a horse Chopper...

The peasants snapped up the silver sword at 50% price as if they were secretly from nobility

And two soldiers walked in a snapped up the giant killer and the horse chopper like thier lives depended on it... not before more beast hunters came into to trash talk my giant killer.

Doubled my money today but now I've got another issue i have like only 6300 copper and Rimlard now demands me to make a solid gold 2H sword. I've made the sword twice and metal quality keeps coming out to 0%. I know danm well im not burning the gold.

This is where I am, more or less, with the game. 40k coins every month seems like a huge uphill battle. Feels like a grind.

[Plowbat]

Originally posted by Iron Horse:

This is where I am, more or less, with the game. 40k coins every month seems like a huge uphill battle. Feels like a grind.

It's a bit grindy, but it'll never be a problem. Days don't advance until you say so, and the mines respawn each time you enter the Pass. So, you could theoretically make a huge stockpile of ores, smelt, forge, mine again, smelt, forge... and enter the next day with shelves full of weapons to sell, every single day.

Personally i make the effort of going to mine every day just to find some gold to make daggers with, then come back and make 2-4 daggers for the next day. With 4 gold daggers priced at ~1900 each at 30% chance of sale everyday, i'm making bank. 2/3 of chapter 1 done (first payment) and i have 55k in the bank already (and i've spent around 15k in building/tools/a good grip leather/tavern on top of it)

Don't forget to ask everyone that doesn't buy your shelf stock for a personnal comission, these will get you a lot of money for little effort. Most requests can be skimped on because the clients aren't demanding enough quality-wise, so you can make huge profit with cheap materials (ex : selling a barely functioning, not even quenched or sharpened copper shortsword for 2500 because their criteria were lax).

[Iron Horse]

I don't know. I don't mind a grind, but it seems like a broken system to me, having to through the pass multiple times in a night, to pay your rent and dues. I may give it another go. Thank you for the feedback.

[Plowbat]

Just going to mine once a night is enough honestly. During the day i don't really even forge anything except comissions, then at night go mine once and make 2-4 daggers and that's pretty much it. It works just fine.

[Greg]

The customer system needs adjusted imo. Its nice that it prevents you from making one weapon over and over but there are only 15 sale slots and 16 weapons, not including any heavy weapons such as maces or axes. It seems heavy weapons are only used for special orders, but can be sold if you mark the prices way down.

Making luxurious or high end weapons is no longer feasible unless selling to a mage, and the only way to pump any kind of profit is to use expensive alloys or gold as pummels and guards. 1000-1500 sales prices seems to be a sweet spot.

[MoppBoi37]

Originally posted by Plowbat:

Originally posted by MoppBoi37:

Doubled my money today but now I've got another issue i have like only 6300 copper and Rimlard now demands me to make a solid gold 2H sword. I've made the sword twice and metal quality keeps coming out to 0%. I know danm well im not burning the gold.

Metal quality comes from 2 possible things :
-either you burnt it : melting ore ~30+°C above its melting point will begin damaging it, but if you grab it and pour the molten gold into a mold it stabilizes. The mold itself tells you if it's full for each part (white -> green circle), and under it is the metal quality in %, the same shown in the crucible.
-or your gold is mixed with another metal, making up an unholy mix and not a proper alloy. Check that your crucible is empty, without solid metal residue in it before melting your gold.

After that hammering, quenching and assembling are pretty straightforward and don't affect metal quality. Don't forget to sharpen the sword as well, it's a very important part of finishing the weapon and you'll get "rare" quality at best with no sharpening.

It's funny because with the money given to you, you can buy 3 gold, but if you make it thin enough you can make a satisfactory weapon with only 1 gold and pocket the 6500 money difference quietly.

yeah I'm aware of those mechanics. I didnt mix it with any other metal so I guess I burnt it? I Just don't know or understand how i managed to burn it because my first golden weapon i ever made i didn't burn the metal and the dagger came out really good and when I smelt it i watch the temperature carefully.

also im gonna pocket all that money, I've gone back to the night before and im gonna be up all night finding gold and making that gold 2h sword. when he gets there I'll have the sword ready.

[Emanouche]

If you are truly strapped for cash, you can also milk the betting system at the fighting arena by saving and reloading. Though, that don't earn reputation. I feel personally like I'm done stocking my shelves till I get slaves to stock them for me, usually by the time I'm starting a dagger or something, a customer walks in and I take a custom order. Well, unless I decide to do small daggers over night, maybe I should do that at least to earn more reputation points, but I'm like why make 500 copper daggers when I can milk individual orders for at least 2000?

[MoppBoi37]

Originally posted by Emanouche:

If you are truly strapped for cash, you can also milk the betting system at the fighting arena by saving and reloading. Though, that don't earn reputation. I feel personally like I'm done stocking my shelves till I get slaves to stock them for me, usually by the time I'm starting a dagger or something, a customer walks in and I take a custom order. Well, unless I decide to do small daggers over night, maybe I should do that at least to earn more reputation points, but I'm like why make 500 copper daggers when I can milk individual orders for at least 2000?

yeah I should probably take more custom orders when i get the chance.