So... is Umbral Knight is dead "again"?

[Lonli]

If you played at least half of the game, you saw our beloved Lily from the first game wearing his cape, but we don't see him, which leads me to the conclusion that his soul is linked to Land's End, where the first game took place, or he is dead. What do you think?

[Lonli]

As long as the White Priestess bloodline exists, he should be linked to Lily and still be alive. And in Ending C, he still talks to Lily on the graveyard. I'm worried about my boy.

[Belforks]

i really don't think he's dead, i think Lily is just wearing the cloak his original body had or is wearing a very similar one. i can't recall the finer details but the umbral knight is basically bound to the first white priestess's bloodline in EL and will exist as long as there is someone of that person's ancient bloodline he was tasked with protecting. So just think he's still there, he's just in spirit form by Lily's side and hasn't made an appearance, think about it- how could Lily have made her way all the way from the academy to the crimson forest to the land of origin without something or "someone" to protect her?

in ending A of EL he could not leave land's end because Fretia was the oldest one of the bloodline he was bound to protect, he promises Lily they would meet again because deep down he knew that Fretia would eventually fail to purify the blight in the verboten domain so he would be free from what traps him there and brought to Lily's side.

ending C shows Lily outside with him talking to her after they were done burying everyone saying he'd be by her side if i recall. Lily would be the oldest living one of the bloodline he was sworn to protect in ending C, so naturally he would be able to leave Land's End with her.

basically i think the Umbral Knight's still there by Lily's side, he's just not made himself visible when Lilac was nearby and is in his spirit wisp form.

[Rai]

Agreeing with other comments. The Deathless Pact remains so long as Lily is around, and if she chooses (or is even able) to have children to pass it onto.

It's probably just jarring if she pulls out ghosts for no reason. She alludes to her blight-purification powers but never outright says it, seemingly distancing herself from priestess abilities. On-purpose, too, as she doesn't want too much attention on her when the Ancient Priestesses are a hot topic in this world.

[Lonli]

Don't forget that Levi was also in the Land of Origin and other places that aren't easy to reach. :)

Man, I love this series

[toughnails]

Levy showing up in the Land of Origin was really unnecessary. There's no way to explain how she got there, past all the bosses into literally the final room, it's just a dumb gag that took me out of the game. They should've just let you pick up that stele yourself.

[Belforks]

Originally posted by toughnails:

Levy showing up in the Land of Origin was really unnecessary. There's no way to explain how she got there, past all the bosses into literally the final room, it's just a dumb gag that took me out of the game. They should've just let you pick up that stele yourself.

now that i think about it yeah it is weird and sorta dumb. Lilac has to go through several beasts and obstacles of origin along with traversing strange terrain just to reach that place, yet Levy, this young kid with no homunculi or helpful traversal tools we know of manages to get there just fine before Lilac??

i can vaguely get her appearing in some places like the mine but the other places are also kinda unexplainable.. she's apparently good at dodging danger but that can't be an explanation to it all.

[Lonli]

Maybe Levi is the true final boss, able to deflect and dodge all incoming attacks? :) Still, this is a really minor issue. Just picking up that stone tablet from the ground would probably be better, but I don't care that much—I just love this game.

Sadly, there's no merch for it. I’d truly love to get some figures of the ghosts or homunculi.

[WhyKlef]

Let's not forget that Levy is also the apprentice (well sort of) of a pretty epic arcane smith (or w/e they're called) so maybe she's equipped with relics and knowledge to use them that we simply do not experience in the game. Homunculi magic is confirmed to not be the only source of power as per the dialogue with that witch at the rest area.

[Cutlession]

I don't think the white priestess we see in the game is Lillie. Maybe her descendants? But based on the ending of Ender Lillies it doesn't make sense.

Ending A could have her end up in another place but I feel like that wasn't the canon one. It just doesn't make sense that the Lillie we been shown would flee her country.

Ending B ends in a way that Lillie can't be in a sequel.

Ending C shows that she has permanent effects from the blight that doesn't show up on our priestess in Ender Magnolia. Also shes a grown women in the epilogue

So I don't think it's her. With Lillie being the last white priestess at the time, it must mean this game takes place quite some time after Ender Lillies.

[Belforks]

Originally posted by WhyKlef:

Let's not forget that Levy is also the apprentice (well sort of) of a pretty epic arcane smith (or w/e they're called) so maybe she's equipped with relics and knowledge to use them that we simply do not experience in the game. Homunculi magic is confirmed to not be the only source of power as per the dialogue with that witch at the rest area.

yeah there are other sources of magic the witch refers to, she's referencing to the witches coven fellas and other sorcerers in Ender Lilies where they used magic without that magical ore they use or the land of origin as their powersource. She mentions flying on a broom that isn't powered by that magic ore which is a direct reference to the witch boss of EL if i recall who flew on a broom?

but if that witch lady didn't have any of those kinds of magic then how could Levy of all people get access to it? the old guy she's apprenticed to is an arcane smith but i don't think he's knowledgeable on magic that doesn't use magic ore or the foreign magic outside of the land of fumes.

[Wolfofdoom3]

Originally posted by Cutlession:

Ending C shows that she has permanent effects from the blight that doesn't show up on our priestess in Ender Magnolia. Also shes a grown women in the epilogue

She's wearing a hood and high boots, there's no way to see the blight. It's there though.

[Belforks]

Originally posted by Cutlession:

I don't think the white priestess we see in the game is Lillie. Maybe her dissidence? But based on the ending of Ender Lillies it doesn't make sense.

Ending A could have her end up in another place but I feel like that wasn't the canon one. It just doesn't make sense that the Lillie we been shown would flee her country.

Ending B ends in a way that Lillie can't be in a sequel.

Ending C shows that she has permanent effects from the blight that doesn't show up on our priestess in Ender Magnolia. Also shes a grown women in the epilogue

So I don't think it's her. With Lillie being the last white priestess at the time, it must mean this game takes place some time after Ender Lillies.

i feel like the game is doing everything to blatantly hint at the fact the travelling priestess is Lily from Ender Lilies-

the music that plays when you meet her is the exact same from EL from a few cutscenes which are mainly associated with the game's main theme and white priestesses.
She literally gives you the Aegis Curio which is what Lily used to absorb all the blight in Ending C.
Her cloak being a blatant reference to the umbral knight Ferin who accompanies Lily the entire game as it looks near identical to what he wears. Her wearing the cloak could be to literally hide the blight tendrils and such that come from her hair.

obviously this game takes place a few decades after EL as said in the store description. Lily absorbed the entirety of the blight rooted in Land's End and only had some blight tendrils and veins visible near her eyes as aftermath of purifying it all, you don't think she could grow up and manage to reduce some of its effects on her face and only needing the cloak to hide the hair tendrils? the blight gives undying unaging flesh so she's probably got a pretty large lifespan as well so she'd likely still be alive decades later no?

[Cutlession]

Originally posted by Wolfofdoom3:

Originally posted by Cutlession:

Ending C shows that she has permanent effects from the blight that doesn't show up on our priestess in Ender Magnolia. Also shes a grown women in the epilogue

She's wearing a hood and high boots, there's no way to see the blight. It's there though.

Even if this is true and shes hiding it all (somehow) the only way this makes sense is if these games take place in a couple of years between each other. But that would mean a country close enough to also be on the territory of the ancients stolen land exists (I.E right next to the one in Ender Lillies) but also has technology far beyond it's neighbour.

Doesn't it make more sense that this is the same land but 10s or even 100s of years later.

[Wolfofdoom3]

This is not the same land. And this takes place only a few decades later. The country in the first game is only one of six I believe. It used to be a bigger country until they conquered the ancients and split into six nations. That one was called Land's End, this is the land of fumes.

[Lonli]

Even in Ender Lilies, we already had the technology to create artificial life forms, clones of the priestesses, and biologically alter humans to create gargoyles. When the first game starts, everything is already destroyed, and every human in that territory is dead, so we don't know the state of technological progress of that world. Meanwhile, the kingdom in Ender Magnolia was protected by a shield and had a few decades to advance in magical technology. I think of it like the real world, where wars often accelerate inventions.