So is Lilac...

[Stripey]

A boy or a girl?

I'm cool with either, just gotta get into the right headspace if I'm a cute boy or a cute girl here.

[deviller]

Well for design (her cloth is actually remind me the twin and Lavenza from Velvet Room in Persona 5), name, etc, I can say that Lilac is she.

But.... if we use a lot of story which has homunculi, they can be she, he or even genderless (or dog with human hair ... welp ... F that).

Thus in the end it is up to you to decide which gender is Lilac is. For myself, Lilac is she.

[hevensdragon]

Origineel geplaatst door deviller:

Well for design (her cloth is actually remind me the twin and Lavenza from Velvet Room in Persona 5), name, etc, I can say that Lilac is she.

But.... if we use a lot of story which has homunculi, they can be she, he or even genderless (or dog with human hair ... welp ... F that).

Thus in the end it is up to you to decide which gender is Lilac is. For myself, Lilac is she.

That would definite be possible if LIlac is also a homunculi, Though the homunculi seem to be rather inhuman in appearance, sure you wake from a pod, but that could also be a cryo pod, or she is a clone like Lily. Actually, should we be assuming she is a clone of Lily? Like is atuner just a new label for the white priestesses? It is confirmed to be the same world, and despite the setting seeming medical era in the first game, there was very advanced alchemy present, the blight itself was some form of lab created bio weapon. And they had cloning even then, now we have homunculi which would be technology built open the same roots as cloning and alchemy. The white priestesses had a inate power that let them control the creations as their power is the basis of how the blight was created, so keeping them around would be necessary, ones again we see a character with a ability to resonate with bio weapons. Should we assume they are related, and if so they may very well answer the question here of is Lilac a girl or not as well.

[KoBeWi]

Origineel geplaatst door hevensdragon:

Like is atuner just a new label for the white priestesses?

One of the research logs mentions that. Attuners can command living homunculi, while white priestesses could command souls of the fallen. So attuners are like modern priestesses, but their power is a bit different and the real priestess power seems to be lost in time.

[benj]

Interestingly, all menu descriptions and tutorials avoid using female pronouns for Lilac too. I'd personally consider her a girl though, based on her face/eyes and outfit. Also worth mentioning that one of the relics she can equip is a ribbon, that's obviously feminine.

[Stelliferous]

Origineel geplaatst door hevensdragon:

Look you clearly want Lilac to be NB as that is your preference. And rather than asking if Lilac is your campaigning to get them to be. There is no point to this discussion as you are not really disusing, your pretending to. Here is the fact, we don't currently know 100%, but all signs point towards lilac is a girl, the previous game also was cagey about details regarding Lily and we gained that info as we played. Right now we have a very feminine leaning name, wearing a skirt, press releases using quotes from devs saying Lilac is a girl. And we have that its a sequel and likely to follow similar aesthetics. That is at least evidence, but your acting like its been confirmed she is NB as that is what you want. But that is simply ignoring all evidence and stubbornly insisting its your way. If you have already dug your heels in don't come into a discussion to manipulate and gasslight, because that is all you are doing.

Nobody is manipulating or gaslighting here. You strongly believe Lilac is a girl, which is fine, because all official sources intentionally leave it open to interpretation. There's no need to get so heated about it. I never insisted that they were NB, only that all official sources have left it ambiguous. The only person insisting on a specific gender is you.

I do think their clothing looks closer to an androgynous "mage's robe" aesthetic than a skirt, though

[Stripey]

Origineel geplaatst door Hexo Mia:

Origineel geplaatst door Stripey:

Did you read the “cool with either” part?

if you are cool with either why even make a post about it? because if it doesnt matter, why asking.

Because I was curious?

[hevensdragon]

Origineel geplaatst door Stelliferous:

Origineel geplaatst door hevensdragon:

Look you clearly want Lilac to be NB as that is your preference. And rather than asking if Lilac is your campaigning to get them to be. There is no point to this discussion as you are not really disusing, your pretending to. Here is the fact, we don't currently know 100%, but all signs point towards lilac is a girl, the previous game also was cagey about details regarding Lily and we gained that info as we played. Right now we have a very feminine leaning name, wearing a skirt, press releases using quotes from devs saying Lilac is a girl. And we have that its a sequel and likely to follow similar aesthetics. That is at least evidence, but your acting like its been confirmed she is NB as that is what you want. But that is simply ignoring all evidence and stubbornly insisting its your way. If you have already dug your heels in don't come into a discussion to manipulate and gasslight, because that is all you are doing.

Nobody is manipulating or gaslighting here. You strongly believe Lilac is a girl, which is fine, because all official sources intentionally leave it open to interpretation. There's no need to get so heated about it. I never insisted that they were NB, only that all official sources have left it ambiguous. The only person insisting on a specific gender is you.

I do think their clothing looks closer to an androgynous "mage's robe" aesthetic than a skirt, though

Yeah there is the gaslighting right there. You kept going in a circle to force a call out so you can then shift thing onto the person who called you out.

[hevensdragon]

Origineel geplaatst door sleepy:

Interestingly, all menu descriptions and tutorials avoid using female pronouns for Lilac too. I'd personally consider her a girl though, based on her face/eyes and outfit. Also worth mentioning that one of the relics she can equip is a ribbon, that's obviously feminine.

I wonder if they are just being overly careful with information. In the first game they slipped up with Lily's name being in the description of a few skills, revealing it right away, also a notable mess up is that one of the umbra knights conversations has him call her by name at a point you can't even get to the room and get named as you do not yet have the required abilities. It was a weird interaction as prior her name was never used, but from then on it was just naturally used in conversation.
That and people are getting rather hesitant no matter how certain or even knowing a gender to use he or she, In most of my most of my posts here I avoided them as well despite how awkward it makes the sentences.
Its also worth noting that they may be testing the waters, some players get really pissy about MC gender, like subnautica bz had a lot of players rather pissed off about playing as a women, despite it being a first person game and being such a minor detail. But then there is also the NB crowed who gets upset if the character isn't the gender they want, or undefined. So they may just be trying not to say because of that, or as the game is early access maybe they just want to keep options open, I rather doubt they will leave it open ended though, one of the things they need to do is continue the world building and lore, they put a lot of care into it in the first game, with the era shift, something needs to tie the games together, and I think that something is Lilac being another white priestess now called atuners, which would maker her a clone just like Lily and force her being a girl.

[Stelliferous]

Origineel geplaatst door hevensdragon:

Yeah there is the gaslighting right there. You kept going in a circle to force a call out so you can then shift thing onto the person who called you out.

Somebody posting an opinion you disagree with, and explaining their opinion, is not gaslighting.

[hevensdragon]

Origineel geplaatst door Stelliferous:

Origineel geplaatst door hevensdragon:

Yeah there is the gaslighting right there. You kept going in a circle to force a call out so you can then shift thing onto the person who called you out.

Somebody posting an opinion you disagree with, and explaining their opinion, is not gaslighting.

Yeah not doing this with you, you will just drag this in a circle endlessly, only reason I bothered calling you on it wasn't for you, was for everyone else who would bite your bait and end up wasting their time with you.

[Stelliferous]

Origineel geplaatst door hevensdragon:

Yeah not doing this with you, you will just drag this in a circle endlessly, only reason I bothered calling you on it wasn't for you, was for everyone else who would bite your bait and end up wasting their time with you.

I am not your enemy

[Prometheus0000]

It's not like it's going to change the gameplay either way, so I don't see why it matters. Unless they start channeling rosen garten saga (NSFW).

[Irrathiel]

Maybe it's ambiguos because they arent "He" or "She", but "It"

[Velox]

Origineel geplaatst door deviller:

Well for design (her cloth is actually remind me the twin and Lavenza from Velvet Room in Persona 5), name, etc, I can say that Lilac is she.

But.... if we use a lot of story which has homunculi, they can be she, he or even genderless (or dog with human hair ... welp ... F that).

Thus in the end it is up to you to decide which gender is Lilac is. For myself, Lilac is she.

I'm sticking with "homunculi" as gender for now. I actually originally thought they want to do the reverse pairing type of last game. Male knight with girl -> Female priestess with boy. But finding out the name was Lilac does makes me second guess myself again... guess we'll find out once its fully released

[shanoa]

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