Troll is bad

[Keyo]

If troll has bad RNG, they can die, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. Basically, not enough meat, no shopsa and you die. I think it should be at leat programmed so theres plenty of meat or something. This last run, I made even sure to not auto-discover, I had ranger so I used speed whenver I could. I moved as little as possible, but still mid game, I died, as i didnt discover any shop yet.

This game doesnt have any other purely RNG deaths, everything can be accounted for by preparation. And knowing what biomes contains what. But this death by hunger if your luck sucks. Yeah, sorry thats really silly.

[Scar]

It's not RNG, every single game of troll can be won. What it is however, is a game mechanic that isn't described: If you eat a shroom, troll loses 1 food point.

There is a programmed minimum amount of food: One on the third floor of each zone except the vault, and a minimum of one with the merchant in the 3rd zone.

[A Modern Major General]

I'd missed that change on troll. That seems rather harsh.

[Keyo]

Originally posted by Scar:

It's not RNG, every single game of troll can be won. What it is however, is a game mechanic that isn't described: If you eat a shroom, troll loses 1 food point.

There is a programmed minimum amount of food: One on the third floor of each zone except the vault, and a minimum of one with the merchant in the 3rd zone.

are you sure if you can always survive it though, if you explore that particular floor with meat in wrong way? ie? you explore 90%, but the meat was hidden in the 10% ... my last run was really spot on, i wasnt going back, i kept moving forward .. the only way for me to get faster to meat would be to abandon discovering each floor fully, but then .. i wouldnt know where the meat is hiding so ... RNG

I dunno ... it just seem ridiculous in difficulty .. at this point i am winning Ogre wizards and even Gnome Rogue, i won all classes with Gnome now, all with Fairy, and Human ... Troll i have just one win ... i get sick of dying midgame, without seemingly not even my fault

[Keyo]

The shhroom thing isnt how it works for other races no? Seems nuts if true. I usually try to step on energy shrooms to sprint as much as I can, to not use my hunger lol

[Keyo]

okay i tried it, its crazy, even energy shrooms trigger the hunger, so basically troll has to go without using shrooms, its perhaps okay for the health shrroms, but Dex or Int classes without energy shrooms suck ... and this not being written anywhere is bad

[Scar]

Originally posted by Keyo:

Originally posted by Scar:

It's not RNG, every single game of troll can be won. What it is however, is a game mechanic that isn't described: If you eat a shroom, troll loses 1 food point.

There is a programmed minimum amount of food: One on the third floor of each zone except the vault, and a minimum of one with the merchant in the 3rd zone.

are you sure if you can always survive it though, if you explore that particular floor with meat in wrong way? ie? you explore 90%, but the meat was hidden in the 10% ... my last run was really spot on, i wasnt going back, i kept moving forward .. the only way for me to get faster to meat would be to abandon discovering each floor fully, but then .. i wouldnt know where the meat is hiding so ... RNG

I dunno ... it just seem ridiculous in difficulty .. at this point i am winning Ogre wizards and even Gnome Rogue, i won all classes with Gnome now, all with Fairy, and Human ... Troll i have just one win ... i get sick of dying midgame, without seemingly not even my fault

Yes, if you avoid the shrooms, and play well, you will not run out of food.

The food spawns on guaranteed floors, so make sure you clear those to get it. If you run out, you can either rush to that floor then search, but if you are avoiding shrooms and copntrolling your exploration, it shouldn't be required.

When you are starving, abuse the shrooms as much as possible is another tip.

[Justin]

All races need to go through a round of rebalancing/total reworking eventually but in the meantime Troll's hunger mechanics with regards to shrooms has at least been made more apparent and he's gotten a pretty sizable HP regen boost at higher levels.

I think however he ends up, food should always be a major issue for him that changes his playstyle. I think the key to balancing him will be to give him big enough bonuses to offset that.

I don't think the races need to necessarily be balanced with regards to each other (unlike classes). I think the most important thing for races is just that they add some new and interesting way to play the game. I'd like them to be more like a game play modifier.

[Selgeron]

I think one of the issues is that he will eat the mushshrooms even if you don't want him to- this results in a situation where you have to take a lot of extra steps to get around the dungeon (because areas are blocked by the mushrooms) which then results in you taking more steps and causing more hunger.

[KlausKerner]

the thing with the food is really lame, I just died with my human bard because I had no food :< such a great run destroyed by such BS is not really fun

[Scar]

Originally posted by KlausKerner:

the thing with the food is really lame, I just died with my human bard because I had no food :< such a great run destroyed by such BS is not really fun

When/how do you use your food? There is a food on the 3rd floor of every zone except VoY, and one guaranteed with the merchant in the 3rd zone.

Originally posted by Selgeron:

I think one of the issues is that he will eat the mushshrooms even if you don't want him to- this results in a situation where you have to take a lot of extra steps to get around the dungeon (because areas are blocked by the mushrooms) which then results in you taking more steps and causing more hunger.

A ranged weapon lets you destroy shrooms (except the whip, its bugged). If enemies are going to take it or they block the way I destroy them, otherwise keep the shrooms around for when you are starving.

[HeyHi]

For me, it's the best character; its natural regeneration is incredibly powerful. You just need to watch out for fire and avoid eating mushrooms. However, I still often eat mushrooms when I'm hungry or close to death. As for food, you just need to buy some at the store occasionally. ( I am level master > 4000)