price increase confirmed

[zombie.guy]

like every year, do you guys remember how much was substance painter 1.0?
https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2025/02/20/substance-3d-innovations-pricing-updates

[It's about sending a message]

That's relating to the CC subscription and not the license on Steam. The Steam version doesn't have "unmetered" access to the 3D assets repository. The Steam version hasn't had direct asset access for a couple of years now.
Substance Painter 1 in 1896 didn't have unlimited access to thousands of materials and 3D assets. If they want to price hike with the justification of "well, we're giving you all the assets now (whether you want/need them or not)" that might be somewhat scummy, but it doesn't directly affect Steam users.
Whether there will be an increase for Steam users, we'll have to wait and see. If it's raised to $250 that would definitely be a downer, but I doubt that since the Steam version has no 3D assets access.

[zombie.guy]

Originally posted by It's about sending a message:

That's relating to the CC subscription and not the license on Steam. The Steam version doesn't have "unmetered" access to the 3D assets repository. The Steam version hasn't had direct asset access for a couple of years now.
Substance Painter 1 in 1896 didn't have unlimited access to thousands of materials and 3D assets. If they want to price hike with the justification of "well, we're giving you all the assets now (whether you want/need them or not)" that might be somewhat scummy, but it doesn't directly affect Steam users.
Whether there will be an increase for Steam users, we'll have to wait and see. If it's raised to $250 that would definitely be a downer, but I doubt that since the Steam version has no 3D assets access.

i mean, that's the "new offer" they mentioned here, either that or switching to subscription only. also, painter 1 wasn't out in 1896, it was in 2014, which isn't that long ago, the price hike including nothing substantial is real, looks like you never had another adobe product. if you compare any product from 2004 to 2014 and then from 2014 to 2024 you'll notice changes were very substantial vs nothing really substantial. photoshop cs6 had everything 2023 have. ill come back and apologize if im wrong, but i bet my socks the price won't stay the same as 2024.

[It's about sending a message]

Originally posted by zombie.guy:

i mean, that's the "new offer" they mentioned here, either that or switching to subscription only. also, painter 1 wasn't out in 1896, it was in 2014, which isn't that long ago, the price hike including nothing substantial is real, looks like you never had another adobe product. if you compare any product from 2004 to 2014 and then from 2014 to 2024 you'll notice changes were very substantial vs nothing really substantial. photoshop cs6 had everything 2023 have. ill come back and apologize if im wrong, but i bet my socks the price won't stay the same as 2024.

What new offer, where? The pinned post just talks about the upcoming Steam release unless I'm blind. Again, if they are going to raise the Steam price as well with no extra benefits that would suck, but it is what it is. All we can do right now is wait.
And while you're somewhat correct with your observation of price & features vs time, CC 2024 has plenty of stuff CS6 doesn't. I'm using CS6 personally still and I'd kill to have stuff like better content aware filling in CS6. You may not need or even know about all the new features in CC, but they do exist.

[nicolas.liatti]

The new prices are indeed just for the subscription offer on Adobe.com.
As we announced in another post, perpetual licenses will launch on Steam in March.

[zombie.guy]

Originally posted by It's about sending a message:

Originally posted by zombie.guy:

i mean, that's the "new offer" they mentioned here, either that or switching to subscription only. also, painter 1 wasn't out in 1896, it was in 2014, which isn't that long ago, the price hike including nothing substantial is real, looks like you never had another adobe product. if you compare any product from 2004 to 2014 and then from 2014 to 2024 you'll notice changes were very substantial vs nothing really substantial. photoshop cs6 had everything 2023 have. ill come back and apologize if im wrong, but i bet my socks the price won't stay the same as 2024.

I'd kill to have stuff like better content aware filling in CS6. You may not need or even know about all the new features in CC, but they do exist.

It may not be parent but I spent the last 18 years as an adobe certified instructor, and I've used Photoshop since version 1.0.
You may want a better content aware tool but the fact is that CS6 not only had a content aware tool, it was very competent too, so competent you may even use it today and few people would notice a difference if used correctly. Also, 3d was actually better in CS6, you had one click meshes with pillow emboss and it was already uvd and could been exported as obj with a texture. If there is someone on steam that knows Photoshop that'd be me, and I don't think you can compare 2024 to CS6 if you pair it with comfy UI or forge UI, hell you can even use the blender bridge to completely texture an asset using the quick texture button. That doesn't work on 2024 because the buffer adds the layer background and you get ghost halos that aren't there in CS6. Also, you may not care for vintage stuff but a lot of legacy add-ons stopped working when cc arrived. So in that aspect CS6 was also better. Not to mention a lot of less resources are needed, if you pair CS6 with a "modern" PC there's not even a contest, it runs faster, better and don't even get me started on closing the program and open it again. Even illustrator takes ages to close and open again. Still, people like shiny new things better than old and outdated versions of itself. And that's the point in asking.
Back to the topic, the reason I think the price will go up is because of firefly integration that has been mentioned elsewhere, it seems painter and designer will get a leap in the way they work and that's the reason I'm interested. But I'm also positive on the price increase, like I said, I. Case it turns out it's cheaper than 2024 I'll come back and apologize for badmouthing your software but meanwhile I'll stand my ground saying the price will go up.

[zombie.guy]

Originally posted by nicolas.liatti:

The new prices are indeed just for the subscription offer on Adobe.com.
As we announced in another post, perpetual licenses will launch on Steam in March.

Same exact prices as the 2024 versions, right?

[It's about sending a message]

Originally posted by zombie.guy:

Originally posted by It's about sending a message:

I'd kill to have stuff like better content aware filling in CS6. You may not need or even know about all the new features in CC, but they do exist.

It may not be parent but I spent the last 18 years as an adobe certified instructor, and I've used Photoshop since version 1.0.
You may want a better content aware tool but the fact is that CS6 not only had a content aware tool, it was very competent too, so competent you may even use it today and few people would notice a difference if used correctly.

The thing is the content aware tool in CS6 doesn't have a bunch of options that make it easier/better to use, like the ability to exclude certain portions of the neighboring pixels, as well as extra options. The content aware tool shines when you have a single little blob you wanna get rid of, or you have a consistent pattern to fix, but once you want to fix up larger portions of the image you'll usually get screwed due to neighboring pixels causing the fill to include stuff you don't want it to include. I am sure you could work around this by just duplicating the layer, cropping the stuff you don't want anyway and then to use the fill, but honestly.. I'd rather have a better UI with more options rather than to manually work around the issue. That's just my take on it. I've been using CS6 for a good decade now and while I am not super adept at the more complex features CS6 has, I'd still appreciate a better content aware tool. Again, it's not the algorithm that's bad, it's the fact it lacks an easy and convenient, non-destructive way of excluding certain pixels from the fill's logic.

Originally posted by zombie.guy:

Back to the topic, the reason I think the price will go up is because of firefly integration that has been mentioned elsewhere, it seems painter and designer will get a leap in the way they work and that's the reason I'm interested. But I'm also positive on the price increase, like I said, I. Case it turns out it's cheaper than 2024 I'll come back and apologize for badmouthing your software but meanwhile I'll stand my ground saying the price will go up.

It'll 100% not be cheaper than 2024 (maybe bar the same early-bird discount), but I believe an increase is somewhat unlikely. As I said, we'll see in a month or so. 2024 was $150/200 and I believe 2025 will either follow the same scheme or just outright be $200 w/o the discount for early adopters. It would be neat to have a perp. license with 3D access, but the 3D access would have to be limited to 1 year. And it might be difficult to manage as well. What I definitely wouldn't want is the need to link an Adobe account within the program itself.

[The Druid]

Originally posted by It's about sending a message:

2024 was $150/200 and I believe 2025 will either follow the same scheme or just outright be $200 w/o the discount for early adopters. It would be neat to have a perp. license with 3D access, but the 3D access would have to be limited to 1 year. And it might be difficult to manage as well. What I definitely wouldn't want is the need to link an Adobe account within the program itself.

2024 didn't get any discount at all actually. They simply rised the price from 2023 which was 149 $/€ and announced the rising to 200 €/$ like two weeks before release.

[It's about sending a message]

Originally posted by The Druid:

2024 didn't get any discount at all actually. They simply rised the price from 2023 which was 149 $/€ and announced the rising to 200 €/$ like two weeks before release.

Except it had a discount, an early-bird discount. You had two weeks before the price increase would kick in. That's a discount. Many games on Steam have "introduction" offers where you'll get 10% off. EDF6 had it IIRC, indie games often have it. And no, there's no difference between getting X% off base or having a lower base early on which goes up later, you're buying cheaper early is the point.
2023 had an owner's discount, 2024 didn't, it simply had the early-bird. It literally was a discount, as the price increase was a set in stone anyway.

[The Druid]

Originally posted by It's about sending a message:

Originally posted by The Druid:

2024 didn't get any discount at all actually. They simply rised the price from 2023 which was 149 $/€ and announced the rising to 200 €/$ like two weeks before release.

Except it had a discount, an early-bird discount. You had two weeks before the price increase would kick in. That's a discount. Many games on Steam have "introduction" offers where you'll get 10% off. EDF6 had it IIRC, indie games often have it. And no, there's no difference between getting X% off base or having a lower base early on which goes up later, you're buying cheaper early is the point.
2023 had an owner's discount, 2024 didn't, it simply had the early-bird. It literally was a discount, as the price increase was a set in stone anyway.

Nope. Like I wrote in the other topic. This is a useless argue.

[zombie.guy]

there, subscriptions are on.

[Mauve!]

Doesn't seem like there's an early bird offer either, it's the same 195 euros like the 2024 version.

[The Druid]

Originally posted by Mauve!:

Doesn't seem like there's an early bird offer either, it's the same 195 euros like the 2024 version.

Like I said before, they stopped early bird discount already with 2024 Edition, when they even increased the price from 149 € to 195 € within two weeks after the release...:(
And they add subscription option for 24.5 €/month which, unless I'm wrong, is not available on the official Adobe platform, as they only offer the Substance Collection there, for nearly 50 €/month to use all of the Substance applications.

[It's about sending a message]

Originally posted by Mauve!:

Doesn't seem like there's an early bird offer either, it's the same 195 euros like the 2024 version.

Yeah sadly.

Originally posted by The Druid:

Originally posted by Mauve!:

Doesn't seem like there's an early bird offer either, it's the same 195 euros like the 2024 version.

they stopped early bird discount already with 2024 Edition, when they even increased the price from 149 € to 195 € within two weeks after the release...:(

149 with 2024 *was* the early bird. You can look that up, lol. Previous versions has proper discounts for owners and then 2024 just dropped it and said "here, buy within 2 weeks to get for the same price as the standard 2023 price".

2023 was $150, but as a previous owner you would get 33% off, so it would be $100.
2023 *never* had an early bird discount, it had an owner's discount: https://steamdb.info/app/2199970/
2024 was $200, but they offered an early bird offer for 25% less, so $150. Whether or not they set the price at $200 from the get go with a 25% discount or set it to $150 and raised it two weeks later doesn't matter, it's the same. It was clearly stated in the release news that it would be $150 till the end of the month, and then it would be $200.
The price increase would've happened either way, to $200. That's what you're failing to understand, so the early bird 25% discount was essentially the same as the previous owner's discount, except it was limited to two weeks. It sucks, but it is what it is. I am also not going to argue further, I just set the record straight.
I also don't care that my reply reads a bit weirdly, since I added some extra stuff in the middle, idrc. I made my point clear that 2023 never had an early bird discount and that 2024 did. 2023 has an owner's discount and 2024 didn't. Now 2025 has nothing and is just $200, sucks.
Have a nice day.