Substance 3D Painter 2024

Substance 3D Painter 2024

winnie Oct 23, 2024 @ 12:03pm
Should I buy 2024 or wait for release of 2025?
As far as I understand it would come this December.
From your experience, do plugins from previous version work on newer one? For example plugins from 2024 would work on 2025?
But on other hand, I see that 2023 was cheaper than 2024, so I guess it's better deal to buy it until it's desisted?
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Elemeno. Oct 23, 2024 @ 1:05pm 
painter and designer wont be renewed for 2025 , however modeler will continue for 2025
Originally posted by Elemeno.:
painter and designer wont be renewed for 2025 , however modeler will continue for 2025
Source: trust me, bro


Originally posted by winnie:
As far as I understand it would come this December.
From your experience, do plugins from previous version work on newer one? For example plugins from 2024 would work on 2025?
But on other hand, I see that 2023 was cheaper than 2024, so I guess it's better deal to buy it until it's desisted?
Up to you. There's always the slim chance that Adobe won't put the next version up for sale on Steam, they did that with Stager and Sampler a while ago.
If you believe that the chance of missing out isn't worth it and you don't care about any future additions to the program then get it now. Plugins should continue to work, I personally don't use any.
$200 is a lot of money and unless you need this for some kind of work or you're a passionate hobbyist I wouldn't recommend it. If you want to use it for work you can make 100k/y with your license, I believe. It's a bit murky as this version doesn't have a proper EULA and you can't even really look anything up anymore regarding a EULA. The only EULA for SP that you can find is the old one from like 2014, which had a limit of 10k/y, which as confirmed by a developer was lifted in the 2015 EULA re-write, which set it to 100k. You can find that post in one of the forums, I've also linked to it before. The problem is that the post's EULA link doesn't work anymore, as Adobe shut the old forums/website down.
Some say this is using the "pro" license which means no limit on earnings. Idk if that's true or not though. All I know is that in 2015 it was 100k/y for the old Steam version back then.
Again, pretty confusing considering Adobe is a multi-billion dollar company and they've likely sold around $3,000,000 worth of SP on Steam this year alone. You'd think they had a proper EULA set up.
Even Designer's EULA is kinda outdated. It's from 2020/21 and while it's possible that they've never bothered to update it since then, I kinda don't want to believe that either.
Check out Designer's EULA to get a better picture of what you're allowed to bring in with this license.
Syrix Oct 25, 2024 @ 3:32pm 
Originally posted by It's about sending a message:
$200 is a lot of money and unless you need this for some kind of work or you're a passionate hobbyist I wouldn't recommend it. If you want to use it for work you can make 100k/y with your license, I believe. It's a bit murky as this version doesn't have a proper EULA and you can't even really look anything up anymore regarding a EULA. The only EULA for SP that you can find is the old one from like 2014, which had a limit of 10k/y, which as confirmed by a developer was lifted in the 2015 EULA re-write, which set it to 100k. You can find that post in one of the forums, I've also linked to it before. The problem is that the post's EULA link doesn't work anymore, as Adobe shut the old forums/website down.
Some say this is using the "pro" license which means no limit on earnings. Idk if that's true or not though. All I know is that in 2015 it was 100k/y for the old Steam version back then.
Again, pretty confusing considering Adobe is a multi-billion dollar company and they've likely sold around $3,000,000 worth of SP on Steam this year alone. You'd think they had a proper EULA set up.
Even Designer's EULA is kinda outdated. It's from 2020/21 and while it's possible that they've never bothered to update it since then, I kinda don't want to believe that either.
Check out Designer's EULA to get a better picture of what you're allowed to bring in with this license.
Someone with the developer tag answered the question here:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2718190/discussions/0/4031349576214958130/#c4031350196524723374
Originally posted by Totally Colin:
Someone with the developer tag answered the question here:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2718190/discussions/0/4031349576214958130/#c4031350196524723374
This likely just means that yes, the Steam license has no more restrictions, like the 2015 100k restriction. It doesn't change the fact this version is still kinda lacking a proper EULA and you don't really know what you're getting yourself into, legally, when you use this program.
Once again Adobe should update the store page and add a proper EULA for this program. Because I am sure I legally am agreeing to a bunch of terms when I use SP 2024 on Steam, yet there's zero info on what said agreements are, which wouldn't be very nice in court, for Adobe.
Elemeno. Oct 29, 2024 @ 1:05pm 
Originally posted by It's about sending a message:
Originally posted by Elemeno.:
painter and designer wont be renewed for 2025 , however modeler will continue for 2025
Source: trust me, bro

obviously they wont announce it here yet .. but mid november to early december we get a sale for the final release

modeler will get a new price of $169.99 for 2025 no news if thats the last year or not ,

everything is very quiet here due to travelling and out of office times
SKEME_DBT Oct 29, 2024 @ 3:34pm 
Originally posted by Elemeno.:
Originally posted by It's about sending a message:
Source: trust me, bro

obviously they wont announce it here yet .. but mid november to early december we get a sale for the final release

modeler will get a new price of $169.99 for 2025 no news if thats the last year or not ,

everything is very quiet here due to travelling and out of office times

Source: Trust me, mate.
Originally posted by Elemeno.:
Originally posted by It's about sending a message:
Source: trust me, bro

obviously they wont announce it here yet .. but mid november to early december we get a sale for the final release

modeler will get a new price of $169.99 for 2025 no news if thats the last year or not ,

everything is very quiet here due to travelling and out of office times
https://i.imgur.com/fGGuo6H.jpeg
I'll give you $10 if that turns out to be true.
[CVNT] llamadoH Nov 4, 2024 @ 12:16pm 
I just asked on Adobe website with one of those chat agents (who knows if it's really a real person). This took place a couple of minutes ago:

Me: "I was just wondering if Adobe will be releasing Substance Painter 2025 on Steam with a perpetual license this year?"

Adobe: "Adobe is moving away from sales and support of perpetual licensing by the end of this month. So no there will not be a new Perpetual license release."
Originally posted by CVNT llamadoH:
I just asked on Adobe website with one of those chat agents (who knows if it's really a real person). This took place a couple of minutes ago:

Me: "I was just wondering if Adobe will be releasing Substance Painter 2025 on Steam with a perpetual license this year?"

Adobe: "Adobe is moving away from sales and support of perpetual licensing by the end of this month. So no there will not be a new Perpetual license release."
These people know nothing, just FYI.
Most of the support staff (for any major company) are outsourced and often situated in places like India and some SEA countries.
Earlier this year I tried to inquire about the Steam version and whether there's any extra authentication needed for the Steam version, i.e. if the program needs to talk to an Adobe server upon first install.
The first agent said they don't sell it anywhere else and to not fall for scams and the second agent said "dunno". And both heavily tried to push me towards CC. Keep in mind I sent the Steam store page to both.
Anyway, these people know nothing, genuinely. It's the same as asking an HP support agent about a graphics card, if you need a replacement. They know nothing and aren't helpful. These people handle basic issues that customers have and couldn't solve via the help page, or were too stupid to... and none of these people know whether or not SP is going to be on Steam next year, since again, most of them don't even know SP is on Steam to begin with. These people know nothing. And to clarify, I don't mean that in a mean spirited manner, but that's just how it is. These people are given basic training and most of their job is to do very basic troubleshooting for the customer, or to deal with complaints and billing. These people do not know what a "Steam" even is and that Adobe sells perpetual licenses for SP on there, and they don't need to know any of that as 99.9% of customer inquiries have nothing to do with that. 99.9% of customers will contact these agents over billing issues, complaints and basic troubleshooting, all that's accounted and trained for.

No one knows if Adobe will put SP and Co on Steam for next year. You can try asking some of the OG Allegorithmic employees who work at Adobe now about it, but even if they knew (which they likely don't), they wouldn't tell you. These people are generally helpful and nice to talk to, but whether or not SP will still be on Steam next year is ultimately up to Adobe and Adobe alone.
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