Bug? The parking spots at this truck dealer...

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

SOoo, it seems this particular truck dealer building(In Yakima, WA), we cant sleep at with our trailer. Once I detach, I guess im able to back up far enough to trigger the sleep spot.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976380790

This is not the only one either, I was at a Volvo dealer in I forget where, but it also wouldnt let me sleep until I dropped the trailer and backed in with just the tractor.

EDIT: So, this is where I parked it before I rested. Im actually ahead of where my truck connected to the trailer but it is letting me sleep here, but not with the trailer.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976387110

[MONGOKANSAS67]

can you just pull in forward to trigger, or maybe horizontal and take up 3 spots ....

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Originally posted by MONGOKANSAS67:

can you just pull in forward to trigger, or maybe horizontal and take up 3 spots ....

IDK about parking sideways, but no, pulling forward does not trigger the sleep zone, thats why I backed in as far as I did, I even bumped the wall behind me trying to trigger it, but nope.....it doesnt trigger with my trailer. Only at this particular building preset though. Other dealer designs im able to sleep at thier parking spots. Also, the truck stops work fine. Its only this one building preset.

HEre lol, this is when the rest thing triggered.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976388162

Oh and no, pulling in nose first also does not trigger the sleep zone in that spot. Ill play with others here. Maybe they just didnt code the 2 end spots as a sleep zone.

[ttower]

When you have a trailer attached, the game wants both your truck and trailer to be entirely within the "sleep zone". In many areas around the map, especially with longer heavy haul trailers, the parking spots are not long enough for the truck and trailer. If that happens, as you found, you have to disconnect the trailer, so that only the truck needs to be in the sleep zone. This makes it possible to sleep in these areas.

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Hmmm, apparently I can now add the Freightliner in Dallas to the list of places that has fubar sleep spots.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2982096207

[Cop Unit 12]

This is a universal "bug" (its not really a bug but a gameplay imitation) in ATS and ETS2 though it affects ATS more due to overall longer truck and trailer configurations. The entire truck and trailer needs to be within the invisible "sleep zone" or at least the majority of it. It's best just to do the workaround and detach the trailer and get in the sleep zone.

Version 1.45 had the best % of non sleep zone parking from memory.

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Originally posted by Cop Unit 12:

This is a universal "bug" (its not really a bug but a gameplay imitation) in ATS and ETS2 though it affects ATS more due to overall longer truck and trailer configurations. The entire truck and trailer needs to be within the invisible "sleep zone" or at least the majority of it. It's best just to do the workaround and detach the trailer and get in the sleep zone.

Version 1.45 had the best % of non sleep zone parking from memory.

Well, in further testing, it turns out only a tiny portion of those are actual sleep zones. I wound up sitting on those sleep zones broadside and only the outer most parking spot was a sleep zone. Its more like SCS just didnt feel like applying sleep zones to all the parking spots or something......

[Clasher]

yea sleep zones in general are pretty good at being nusiance, dealerships seem to be particularly badly marked for some reason. honestly I would much prefer the whole sleep zone thing be removed entirely and instead only check that your truck in not in a lane of travel, or for go position checks entire and let people sleep anywhere as long as the truck is off and parked, no reason really why the game has to try and force us to park realistically (especially if its gonna do such a bad job at it)

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Originally posted by Clasher:

yea sleep zones in general are pretty good at being nusiance, dealerships seem to be particularly badly marked for some reason. honestly I would much prefer the whole sleep zone thing be removed entirely and instead only check that your truck in not in a lane of travel, or for go position checks entire and let people sleep anywhere as long as the truck is off and parked, no reason really why the game has to try and force us to park realistically (especially if its gonna do such a bad job at it)

In Kenworth name we pray, Amen!

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Well, in further testing, it turns out only a tiny portion of those are actual sleep zones. I wound up sitting on those sleep zones broadside and only the outer most parking spot was a sleep zone. Its more like SCS just didnt feel like applying sleep zones to all the parking spots or something......

OR, maybe they simulated it correctly, where some US Truck Dealers (all independently-owned franchises) don't want you using their dealership as a truck stop, and if you are there for service the next morning, you would not have your trailer attached for the service appointment .. Seems correct and realistic to me.

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Originally posted by KingConrail:

Originally posted by Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Well, in further testing, it turns out only a tiny portion of those are actual sleep zones. I wound up sitting on those sleep zones broadside and only the outer most parking spot was a sleep zone. Its more like SCS just didnt feel like applying sleep zones to all the parking spots or something......

OR, maybe they simulated it correctly, where some US Truck Dealers (all independently-owned franchises) don't want you using their dealership as a truck stop, and if you are there for service the next morning, you would not have your trailer attached for the service appointment .. Seems correct and realistic to me.

Except if thats the case, then *why* would they mark it as a sleep area? Also, also, you can still sleep in said location, but only half of the parking spots soooooooo

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Originally posted by KingConrail:

OR, maybe they simulated it correctly, where some US Truck Dealers (all independently-owned franchises) don't want you using their dealership as a truck stop, and if you are there for service the next morning, you would not have your trailer attached for the service appointment .. Seems correct and realistic to me.

Except if thats the case, then *why* would they mark it as a sleep area? Also, also, you can still sleep in said location, but only half of the parking spots soooooooo

I can not help you if you are too thick to understand the word "sometimes" and that I never said you could not sleep at the dealer .. IRL if you have a service appointment, the dealer is more than happy to have you stay in their lot .. they DO NOT want random wheel holders taking up space reserved for their customers .. You CAN sleep there, IF you have business there .. Remember, the dealer is Private Property, not a Truck Stop.

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Originally posted by KingConrail:

Originally posted by Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Except if thats the case, then *why* would they mark it as a sleep area? Also, also, you can still sleep in said location, but only half of the parking spots soooooooo

I can not help you if you are too thick to understand the word "sometimes" and that I never said you could not sleep at the dealer .. IRL if you have a service appointment, the dealer is more than happy to have you stay in their lot .. they DO NOT want random wheel holders taking up space reserved for their customers .. You CAN sleep there, IF you have business there .. Remember, the dealer is Private Property, not a Truck Stop.

I get that in a real life sense, hell, theres WalMarts that do the same. I even got woke up at 7am to move out of a giant ass mall parking lot, cuz the truck stop near by was full the night before. I didnt even park anywhere near the mall, rather way out in the boonies near the back of the parking lot, where I thought it'd be ok, since no way I would impede traffic or customers.

However, in a game sense, its dumb to mark it for sleeping but not let us sleep there...this game has no such mechanic as what you describe.

It makes even LESS sense since in game, because you can fix your truck willy nilly any time you want, even at 2am when the dealer or mechanic or dealer is completely closed for the night. You cant buy the truck at 2am, but you can repair when the repair shop is clearly closed.. sooo yeah.

[_KC76_]

I offered an alternative view, that maybe it was more realistic the way it was .. I'm not going to continue arguing with you. It is what it is, and you can be happy and enjoy it, or be upset and complain .. you do you.

[Ryu]

What stops you from un-hitching the trailer to use a spot that is too small to accommodate your attached trailer? Or is that dumb, too? ;)

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Originally posted by ~{DCMT}~ Ryu:

What stops you from un-hitching the trailer to use a spot that is too small to accommodate your attached trailer? Or is that dumb, too? ;)

Because by all appearances, the spot isnt to small for my trailer and truck. It really boils down to the parking spots are half baked and not fully polished to be functional. The parking spots simply need another quality assurance pass.

Ive also driven around to various parking spots in those locations. I found out that its only a select few positions that function as parking spots, the others seem to just be cosmetic.

Also, if length of my rig is an issue, take another good look at my original post. Then look at my 2nd image and take note of how my tractor is parked beside my trailer and sitting much further forward than it would be if I was attached to the trailer, sooooooo, the issue isnt truck length. The issue is SCS only applied parking to half the locations, but theres not really any indication of which ones are "valid" parking spots and which arent.