Frosty´s season mods

[kubanskiloewe]

Why scs wont include these mods as a DLC pack ??

[AyMazingATS]

Originally posted by kubanskiloewe:

Why scs wont include these mods as a DLC pack ??

Because they will not claim the work of someone else as their own for starters.

Plus Frosty ATS has a serious issue.

It snows in San Diego, Brownsville, Laredo....let me repeat....it SNOWS in San Diego, Brownsville, Laredo. There are other areas in the game to where it will never snow at that is affected too.

The suggestion for seasons has been brought up multiple times to SCS. Pavel even answered this question on a previous stream. It is something they are looking in to. Creating new textures, making the seasons change as you play the game depending on the time of the year(dynamic weather if you will).

It is a ton of work to do and they will not outsource for the work to be done. They outsourced a project early in the days of ETS2 and had to redo basically everything the outsourced team did.

[Wolfgang]

Because they are mods. Mods don't go through the QA that DLCs go through. They (mods) are also only built on the code of the game and not integrated into the code which is also a problem. And then there is the huge issue with managing the rights like intellectual property especially when that thing is being sold.

Not to mention that this mod is changing every single asset no matter where that asset is placed. Which is very noticable in ETS2. You would have complete snow in the south of Italy, in Spain, Portugal just to name a few. These places never have any huge amount of snow. So you will have snow in places where is just won't make any sense for there to be snow.

[MONGOKANSAS67]

Yep, I tried Frosty's and LOVED it .... UNTIL ... as it has been stated ... snow IN San Diego and other southern places where it shouldnt be and it was a deal breaker for me

[MONGOKANSAS67]

Just an idea off the top of my head and YES I know where to send Devs ideas, I'm just typing out loud to other players. To accomplish seasons, with the USA so large and has a vast amount of different weather. All the southern states could be kept in "summer time" and all the north border states could be kept in "winter time" with "spring and fall" in the central rows (areas) so if you picked a long haul you could drive right through the seasons.
Love the snow? stay up north. Hate the snow? DONT go up north LOL

[mojo_musica]

Originally posted by jmbode:

Just an idea off the top of my head and YES I know where to send Devs ideas, I'm just typing out loud to other players. To accomplish seasons, with the USA so large and has a vast amount of different weather. All the southern states could be kept in "summer time" and all the north border states could be kept in "winter time" with "spring and fall" in the central rows (areas) so if you picked a long haul you could drive right through the seasons.
Love the snow? stay up north. Hate the snow? DONT go up north LOL

What would you imagine the border between a "Southern" state and a "Northern" state would look like? Snow on the road the moment you went across the state line? Blazing sun in the "Southern" state and clouds and a blizzard in the "Northern"state?
This might be a reason that it isn't in the game yet...

[TwinShadow]

As someone who is from the south, so to speak... we do get snow here where I live in Texas. That being... DFW. While rare, it does happen. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the freeze that's coming in a few days might bring some snow with it. Even places like Houston had snow before in the past, and Corpus Cristi. So, the notion of separating between "south" and "north" states for whether or not places get snow is quite a bit blurry.

I did some cursory reading and some minor searching, San Diego, albeit incredibly rare, can get snow. Found this article[www.sandiegouniontribune.com] that talked about it. So while not the norm... to say it can't happen or anything isn't entirely true.

[redgreen999]

It would likely be a probability same as rain already has. More likely to rain in state of Washington, than Arizona, so both have a different baseline chance built in that is that altered by how the player sets the slider.

[Leadmagnet]

Originally posted by TwinShadow:

As someone who is from the south, so to speak... we do get snow here where I live in Texas. That being... DFW. While rare, it does happen. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the freeze that's coming in a few days might bring some snow with it. Even places like Houston had snow before in the past, and Corpus Cristi. So, the notion of separating between "south" and "north" states for whether or not places get snow is quite a bit blurry.

I did some cursory reading and some minor searching, San Diego, albeit incredibly rare, can get snow. Found this article[www.sandiegouniontribune.com] that talked about it. So while not the norm... to say it can't happen or anything isn't entirely true.

We had snow on the beach one year down in Galveston; talked about some crazy weather.

[MONGOKANSAS67]

Originally posted by mojo_musica:

Originally posted by jmbode:

Just an idea off the top of my head and YES I know where to send Devs ideas, I'm just typing out loud to other players. To accomplish seasons, with the USA so large and has a vast amount of different weather. All the southern states could be kept in "summer time" and all the north border states could be kept in "winter time" with "spring and fall" in the central rows (areas) so if you picked a long haul you could drive right through the seasons.
Love the snow? stay up north. Hate the snow? DONT go up north LOL

What would you imagine the border between a "Southern" state and a "Northern" state would look like? Snow on the road the moment you went across the state line? Blazing sun in the "Southern" state and clouds and a blizzard in the "Northern"state?
This might be a reason that it isn't in the game yet...

SMH (since you want to facepalm) LOL
I'm not saying when you cross the state line, there's a blizzard .. you have states in between ... since its Summer ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE .... make certain states in different seasons, or go by lattitude lines, for those large states (mainly california) that would have different seasons ....
But if you have Southern Cal, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas on Summer
Then you could have Nevada, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas on SPRING
Then you could have Oregon, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska on FALL
Washington, Idaho, Montana, Dakotas, Minnesota on WINTER
But instead of States it should be lattitude lines ....
The more north you go, the cooler the seasons get ... just makes sense but again was just thinking out loud

[MLH82]

Originally posted by jmbode:

Originally posted by mojo_musica:

What would you imagine the border between a "Southern" state and a "Northern" state would look like? Snow on the road the moment you went across the state line? Blazing sun in the "Southern" state and clouds and a blizzard in the "Northern"state?
This might be a reason that it isn't in the game yet...

SMH (since you want to facepalm) LOL
I'm not saying when you cross the state line, there's a blizzard .. you have states in between ... since its Summer ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE .... make certain states in different seasons, or go by lattitude lines, for those large states (mainly california) that would have different seasons ....
But if you have Southern Cal, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas on Summer
Then you could have Nevada, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas on SPRING
Then you could have Oregon, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska on FALL
Washington, Idaho, Montana, Dakotas, Minnesota on WINTER
But instead of States it should be lattitude lines ....
The more north you go, the cooler the seasons get ... just makes sense but again was just thinking out loud

Right now it's not possible. Different seasons would mean different kind of trees for example. Green, blossom, couloured leafs, no leafs, which can't be done thru modding as SCS only has 1 model per type of tree. So you either change them everywhere or nowhere. Same for buildings, most buildings are used all over the map. So adding a layer of snow will add that everywhere the building is used. Exactly the issue with the Frosty mod (which is a great mod if you decide to stay in the Northern states while using).

The only way to solve it by modding is adding various models per tree or builings and replace them in the map editor in the right states. Which basically is making half the map all over, a huge amount of work and not realistic to do (and maintain) in my opinion. The amount of work I mentioned is most likely the reason why SCS hasn't picked it up yet I guess

[MONGOKANSAS67]

(this is jmbode; changed back to my original name)
I agree with ya, never said it was an easy task, but it is doable, but maybe down the road when we have more states available and they move to a new engine to program, and using lattitude lines would create different "groups" for developement, each season would have their own Devs and trees, buildings, roads ... but yes it may be too tedious and not worth it.
I use Frosty if I know I'm staying up north for awhile. Better than nothing

[MLH82]

This made me think about weather conditions. I think it would be easier to change the rain in the Northern states to snow. At least there would be snow falling then and we don't have the all snowy world which Frosty creates.

Just spend the last thirty minutes looking through the game files and there is even a snow texture in the game. Unfortunatly the climate settings are a bit too complicated for me, but maybe there is a more talented modder reading this ;-)