Any Fanatec users here?

[Gunn]

Hey folks, I've been looking at various setups now the last few days and almost settled on Moza. However now I'm looking at Fanatec and had some questions. Which of the wheel bases is better suited for truck sims, as opposed to racing? I don't know enough to know the difference between the Dynamic drive, club sport, etc, etc models. The pedals seem straight forward, buy the set with a clutch, and the wheel seems like personal preference. I plan on grabbing their H shifter (ClubSport) with one of these two add ons. They both seem identical in function.

https://www.simpanel.com/SKRS

https://simuride.com/our-store/simu-shift-knob-18-gears-shifter-replacement/

Any and all input on this is greatly appreciated. I've already got head tracking with all the flight sim stuff I do, just trying to get some hardware sorted out for driving so I can ditch the gamepad

[Wolfpig]

The most difference between the bases (regardless of fanatec, moza etc) is the Max Nm they can output.

If you just want to use it for this one which output 5-7nm probably is enough (Taste might differ) as it will just result in higher force.

Have myself the csl dd which i bought a few months back the stronger Power supply for to get the 7nm.... Not that it would be needed.

And how the play wheel feels might differ what wheel rim you buy with it.
The moza has a dedicated truck wheel, while in the fanatec there is none, but they have some bigger Rims (30cm diameter... or buy a compatible third party one) which fit such games better then the racing Rims)

[don_pepperoni]

I have an older CSR and am happy with it. It has 10 action buttons and a cross + 2 rocker switches. Of course, if you want to take it to the extreme you can also buy the newest ones, they're just not that cheap.What I'm missing is a turn signal and retarder lever, but no steering wheel has one.

[hackintoshchap]

Moza do have a dedicated truck wheel which is about 16" in size. They also have optional multi function stalks for wipers, turn signal etc.
https://mozaracing.com/product/moza-tsw-truck-wheel

I think that according to some reviews, the stalks may need SCS to make some game changes before they really work properly.

Also as Wolfpig mentions the larger wheel bases have additional torque, the largest are liked by drifters who drift in real life. The additional torque is more realistic for very high powered cars like those towards the top of competition.

No harm in having the more powerful bases, but ATS alone may not be the best use of such a wheel base.

[Wolfpig]

Publicado originalmente por hackintoshchap:

Moza do have a dedicated truck wheel which is about 16" in size. They also have optional multi function stalks for wipers, turn signal etc.
https://mozaracing.com/product/moza-tsw-truck-wheel

I think that according to some reviews, the stalks may need SCS to make some game changes before they really work properly.

I personally dont think that those stalks are necessary.
I put the turn signals as a secondary function (or better main, the shifting is the secondary) on the Shifter Paddles.

And even without that Mozza TSW most wheels have the same (or a few more buttons) on the wheel which can be bound to most common functions.


BTW: I have this wheel connected to the base
https://fanatec.com/eu-de/lenkraeder/csl-lenkrad-r330-v2

Not too big so that other games can be played without changing the wheel, and not to small .....think that whole thing was on a promo back when i bought the whole stuff.

[Supernovae]

I just got a Moza R9 because I don't like needing to pay at least $50/wheel for Fanatec's QR2 quick release system (QR2 Lite is included with the bundles so this point is more for standalone wheels). Moza's standard QR system is the same as other sim racing brands like Asetek and even real car wheels like those by NRG. As mentioned Moza also offer a truck wheel that's just plug and play with their wheel bases. The stalks may need some manual configuration in controlls.sii but look quite interesting.

I also have found shipping with Fanatec is quite a bit slower and more expensive than Moza, but depending what you're looking for Fanatec can make more sense (especially if they have any good Black Friday deals for you). Fanatec also has more Xbox compatibility and the option for Playstation compatibility so this could also be an important factor for you.

The base 5Nm CSL DD (Direct Drive) has 5 Newton meters of peak torque output. More expensive bases have more torque and more detailed feedback. For trucking that isn't the most important since modern semis have strong power steering, but the larger the wheel you have, the more diluted the FFB is so you may find 5Nm inadequate with a 400mm truck wheel. The CSL DD also offers a "boost pack" power supply to bring the torque rating up to 8Nm which is plenty for most people who aren't super hardcore sim racers (most reviewers online rarely use more than 12Nm of torque, even on higher powered bases).

I'd suggest looking at what wheel you want to use and price out carts with both Moza and Fanatec. The CSL DD and R5 bundles are both quite good, so check how much each costs with a clutch pedal, shifter, and desk mount if you don't have a rig to mount the wheel on. The Moza wheel bases are more compact than the Fanatec DD if that matters to you. The Fanatec CSL P1 V2 wheel is a 300mm round wheel with a joystick, but fewer buttons than the 280mm D shaped Moza ES wheel. The Moza ES wheel does offer an inexpensive formula wheel mod if that's of interest though. Personally, I got the 330mm Moza CS V2P wheel since it's a lot more premium than the ES wheel and sized comparably to real road car wheels. Fanatec's equivalent is the CSL R330. Personal preference dictates which button layout you prefer but it's definitely something to consider when buying into a wheelbase.

I have used the Fanatec CSL pedals and currently use the CSL Elite V2 pedals so I don't know how Moza's SRP-Lite pedals compare with or without the performance brake kit.

On PC it's also possible to mix and match hardware, for instance I use the $70 Thrustmaster TH8S shifter instead of Moza's $170 (including table mount) or Fanatec's $300 (including table mount) shifters. On console you tend to be locked into your wheelbase ecosystem, so keep that in mind if console compatibility is a feature for you. Also keep in mind you don't need an SKRS shift knob to split gears in game, though of course it would be more immersive than using your paddle shifters or other face buttons for range and split.

I know this was a lot and probably a bit convoluted so feel free to ask follow up questions.

[Gunn]

Publicado originalmente por Supernovae:

I just got a Moza R9 because I don't like needing to pay at least $50/wheel for Fanatec's QR2 quick release system (QR2 Lite is included with the bundles so this point is more for standalone wheels). Moza's standard QR system is the same as other sim racing brands like Asetek and even real car wheels like those by NRG. As mentioned Moza also offer a truck wheel that's just plug and play with their wheel bases. The stalks may need some manual configuration in controlls.sii but look quite interesting.

I also have found shipping with Fanatec is quite a bit slower and more expensive than Moza, but depending what you're looking for Fanatec can make more sense (especially if they have any good Black Friday deals for you). Fanatec also has more Xbox compatibility and the option for Playstation compatibility so this could also be an important factor for you.

The base 5Nm CSL DD (Direct Drive) has 5 Newton meters of peak torque output. More expensive bases have more torque and more detailed feedback. For trucking that isn't the most important since modern semis have strong power steering, but the larger the wheel you have, the more diluted the FFB is so you may find 5Nm inadequate with a 400mm truck wheel. The CSL DD also offers a "boost pack" power supply to bring the torque rating up to 8Nm which is plenty for most people who aren't super hardcore sim racers (most reviewers online rarely use more than 12Nm of torque, even on higher powered bases).

I'd suggest looking at what wheel you want to use and price out carts with both Moza and Fanatec. The CSL DD and R5 bundles are both quite good, so check how much each costs with a clutch pedal, shifter, and desk mount if you don't have a rig to mount the wheel on. The Moza wheel bases are more compact than the Fanatec DD if that matters to you. The Fanatec CSL P1 V2 wheel is a 300mm round wheel with a joystick, but fewer buttons than the 280mm D shaped Moza ES wheel. The Moza ES wheel does offer an inexpensive formula wheel mod if that's of interest though. Personally, I got the 330mm Moza V2P wheel since it's a lot more premium than the ES wheel and sized comparably to real road car wheels. Fanatec's equivalent is the CSL R330. Personal preference dictates which button layout you prefer but it's definitely something to consider when buying into a wheelbase.

I have used the Fanatec CSL pedals and currently use the CSL Elite V2 pedals so I don't know how Moza's SRP-Lite pedals compare with or without the performance brake kit.

On PC it's also possible to mix and match hardware, for instance I use the $70 Thrustmaster TH8S shifter instead of Moza's $170 (including table mount) or Fanatec's $300 (including table mount) shifters. On console you tend to be locked into your wheelbase ecosystem, so keep that in mind if console compatibility is a feature for you. Also keep in mind you don't need an SKRS shift knob to split gears in game, though of course it would be more immersive than using your paddle shifters or other face buttons for range and split.

I know this was a lot and probably a bit convoluted so feel free to ask follow up questions.

Not convoluted at all. Exactly what I was looking for. I might add that while the pedals and shifter could likely stay permanently mounted/in-place, I may be needing to dismount the wheel between sessions as when I'm not playing ATS I'll need access to my keyboard. This isn't going on a dedicated ATS setup. With that in mind is one of the above mentioned systems/mounts easier/quicker to mount and dismount? Sounds like a PITA to have to do this but I guess it's the price I gotta pay to have a wheel and a useable system outside of ATS all-in-one.

Also, now that I'm looking at the Moza R5 Bundle with clutch pedal, and HGP shifter added. That seems like a fine price. However are there any shifter knob accessories that fit the HGP shifter for things like splitting?

https://www.simpanel.com/SKRS

This doesn't mention Moza HGP so I figured I'd ask what people use on HGP shifters?

$679 gets me the R5 base, wheel, wheel mount, 2 pedals, clutch add-on, HGP shifter, and HGP shifter mount.

[Supernovae]

Publicado originalmente por Gunn:

Not convoluted at all. Exactly what I was looking for. I might add that while the pedals and shifter could likely stay permanently mounted, I may be needing to dismount the wheel between sessions as when I'm not playing ATS I'll need access to my keyboard. This isn't going on a dedicated ATS setup. With that in mind is one of the above mentioned systems/mounts easier/quicker to mount and dismount? Sounds like a PITA to have to do this but I guess it's the price I gotta pay to have a wheel and a useable system outside of ATS all-in-one.

With the table mounts both brands are easy to mount and dismount quickly. The Fanatec CSL DD Table Clamp has one hand screw while the Moza mount has 2 hand screws so the Moza may take a couple seconds longer to mount and dismount. The Moza R5 is about half the size and weight of the CSL DD so depending on your layout it may take up less space on your desk and storage shelf/side table/etc. Fanatec's QR1 Lite was slower to mount and dismount, but that's been solved by QR2 (even QR2-Lite) so I don't think the QR system is a major factor any more if you're planning to take the wheel off the base when you aren't using it. That being said, the QR2-Lite is plastic so I don't know how durable it will be over time if you're frequently mounting and dismounting the wheel.

[Wolfpig]

Publicado originalmente por Gunn:

Not convoluted at all. Exactly what I was looking for. I might add that while the pedals and shifter could likely stay permanently mounted/in-place, I may be needing to dismount the wheel between sessions as when I'm not playing ATS I'll need access to my keyboard. This isn't going on a dedicated ATS setup. With that in mind is one of the above mentioned systems/mounts easier/quicker to mount and dismount? Sounds like a PITA to have to do this but I guess it's the price I gotta pay to have a wheel and a useable system outside of ATS all-in-one.

Just as a heads up.

I first used table clapms for the wheel too......but
a) was it quite the work to mount/unmount the wheel every time (and connect the cables again etc.)
b) the base with wheel was bigger then the previous used logitech.....meaning it needed more space on the table
and
c) the force of the wheel was stronger then of the used logitech wheel before, which resulted in a unstable desk/Monitor/other stuff on the desk

So depending on your desk, its stability, height etc. it may be wise to invest in a wheelstand too.
Of course you have to test it out if the desk mount would be working for you or not, but overall a separate stand where you can let the Base/Wheel & other stuff mounted, and just put the stand aside is an enormous plus on comfort.

I for myself use this here (i think it is that)
https://gtomega.eu/products/apex-steering-wheel-stand

[Gunn]

Publicado originalmente por Wolfpig:

Publicado originalmente por Gunn:

Not convoluted at all. Exactly what I was looking for. I might add that while the pedals and shifter could likely stay permanently mounted/in-place, I may be needing to dismount the wheel between sessions as when I'm not playing ATS I'll need access to my keyboard. This isn't going on a dedicated ATS setup. With that in mind is one of the above mentioned systems/mounts easier/quicker to mount and dismount? Sounds like a PITA to have to do this but I guess it's the price I gotta pay to have a wheel and a useable system outside of ATS all-in-one.

Just as a heads up.

I first used table clapms for the wheel too......but
a) was it quite the work to mount/unmount the wheel every time (and connect the cables again etc.)
b) the base with wheel was bigger then the previous used logitech.....meaning it needed more space on the table
and
c) the force of the wheel was stronger then of the used logitech wheel before, which resulted in a unstable desk/Monitor/other stuff on the desk

So depending on your desk, its stability, height etc. it may be wise to invest in a wheelstand too.
Of course you have to test it out if the desk mount would be working for you or not, but overall a separate stand where you can let the Base/Wheel & other stuff mounted, and just put the stand aside is an enormous plus on comfort.

I for myself use this here (i think it is that)
https://gtomega.eu/products/apex-steering-wheel-stand

Was this with Fanatec gear or Moza? Now I'm back to looking at the Moza bundle and just adding a shifter, clutch pedals, and shifter mount.

[Supernovae]

Publicado originalmente por Gunn:

Publicado originalmente por Wolfpig:

Just as a heads up.

I first used table clapms for the wheel too......but
a) was it quite the work to mount/unmount the wheel every time (and connect the cables again etc.)
b) the base with wheel was bigger then the previous used logitech.....meaning it needed more space on the table
and
c) the force of the wheel was stronger then of the used logitech wheel before, which resulted in a unstable desk/Monitor/other stuff on the desk

So depending on your desk, its stability, height etc. it may be wise to invest in a wheelstand too.
Of course you have to test it out if the desk mount would be working for you or not, but overall a separate stand where you can let the Base/Wheel & other stuff mounted, and just put the stand aside is an enormous plus on comfort.

I for myself use this here (i think it is that)
https://gtomega.eu/products/apex-steering-wheel-stand

Was this with Fanatec gear or Moza? Now I'm back to looking at the Moza bundle and just adding a shifter, clutch pedals, and shifter mount.

Publicado originalmente por Wolfpig:

BTW: I have this wheel connected to the base
https://fanatec.com/eu-de/lenkraeder/csl-lenkrad-r330-v2

Not too big so that other games can be played without changing the wheel, and not to small .....think that whole thing was on a promo back when i bought the whole stuff.

Wolfpig is using the Fanatec R330 V2 wheel, likely with the CSL DD wheelbase.

Personally I store my wheel where I can keep it plugged in, so the only cable I need to disconnect/reconnect is the USB cable. I also only untighten the table clamp enough to slide the base off my built-in desk so it only takes a couple seconds. As I'm using a built-in there aren't stability issues, but I wouldn't recommend mounting a DD on something like an IKEA desk.

[Wolfpig]

Publicado originalmente por Gunn:

Publicado originalmente por Wolfpig:

Just as a heads up.

I first used table clapms for the wheel too......but
a) was it quite the work to mount/unmount the wheel every time (and connect the cables again etc.)
b) the base with wheel was bigger then the previous used logitech.....meaning it needed more space on the table
and
c) the force of the wheel was stronger then of the used logitech wheel before, which resulted in a unstable desk/Monitor/other stuff on the desk

So depending on your desk, its stability, height etc. it may be wise to invest in a wheelstand too.
Of course you have to test it out if the desk mount would be working for you or not, but overall a separate stand where you can let the Base/Wheel & other stuff mounted, and just put the stand aside is an enormous plus on comfort.

I for myself use this here (i think it is that)
https://gtomega.eu/products/apex-steering-wheel-stand

Was this with Fanatec gear or Moza? Now I'm back to looking at the Moza bundle and just adding a shifter, clutch pedals, and shifter mount.

Should not matter which wheel you buy, if stuff from what i wrote happens and you find that a negative aspect then it is always a good idea to think about an extra mounting base.