Discussion point: Map size

[Nkongo]

hey guys just a disscusion point here are you happy with the size of the map being a 1:35 scale or whatever it is? for me honestly i reckon it is too small. sure the america is bigger than the europe region but for it to be a proper truck simulator they need more open roads longer highways and being that small of scale i reckon getting from town to town will only take a matter of minutes. of course making a lager scale map would take more time but couldnt they just extend the highways and just stretch out the roads a bit more. its just a opinion guys whats yours? Euro truck felt like a good size and if america would be that size than i wouldnt mind.

[AceOfSpades]

Figured this out for another post:

Your getting three states total in the end Arizona last in another month or two when it is finished.
Total land area of 388,000 miles squared(roughly 1 million kilometers squared)

ETS currently has about 577,000 miles squared including the paid for DLC areas. The base game ETS had about 350,000 miles squared.

So the base game for ATS including AZ and NV is a little bigger than the base ETS was.
IRL from northner CA border at Tule lake (or whichever the northern depot/city is) to San Diego would take 12+ hours in a car at the speed limit. In a truck with the weigh stations ect it takes a trucker about 16 hours.

[AceOfSpades]

oh in addition, when they add any one of the neighboring western states (NM,UT,CO,WY,OR) then the game will be larger than(or very close to)ETS plus both DLC's. After that the scale of ATS will remain larger than ETS unless DLC's for ETS comes out.

[McDodge34]

Got theses calculations from ETS2, just did a ride from Munchen to Budapest for a total of 475mi ride (if google km to mi is correct) it took me exactly in real life 38m28s according to my chrono on cellphone, I respect all the speed limits for Trucks in the game, I had a load of explosives and I didn't exceed 50mph (again if km to mi from google is accurate) I use a Renault Premium with strongest engine which I think is 460hp

[Potato Buddy]

Publicado originalmente por Drevin:

I did some math also, to see how things could go long term. So, on the example of LA-NY, you have ~2800 miles / ~80mph = ~35 hours IRL. At around 1:35 time compression, that would mean ~1 hour spent driving between these cities. Add a bit of time for refueling, sleeping and driving locally in both cities at lower sppeeds, and maybe you end up with 1h15m or 1h30m at max for a trip. Feels kind of low to me, twice as much would've felt perfect, if ETS2 ratios would've been kept.

I do hope though that all these calculations mean nothing, and the joy of the ride and scenery make all these worries go away.

Those are VERY rough calculations. Not sure how many trucks average 80 mph, especially since the most common speed limit in the US is 70. It's better to either wait until the game is out or watch game footage to try to calculate future cross country runs.

[McDodge34]

Publicado originalmente por Rowsdower:

Publicado originalmente por Drevin:

I did some math also, to see how things could go long term. So, on the example of LA-NY, you have ~2800 miles / ~80mph = ~35 hours IRL. At around 1:35 time compression, that would mean ~1 hour spent driving between these cities. Add a bit of time for refueling, sleeping and driving locally in both cities at lower sppeeds, and maybe you end up with 1h15m or 1h30m at max for a trip. Feels kind of low to me, twice as much would've felt perfect, if ETS2 ratios would've been kept.

I do hope though that all these calculations mean nothing, and the joy of the ride and scenery make all these worries go away.

Those are VERY rough calculations. Not sure how many trucks average 80 mph, especially since the most common speed limit in the US is 70. It's better to either wait until the game is out or watch game footage to try to calculate future cross country runs.

Also most trucks have a fixed speed limit of 105km/h so its fixed to 65mph, don't think any trucks can go higher than this without being illegally modified.

[Guppman11]

Using Apple Maps on my IPad here. I'm gonna use time to destination instead of miles. So LV to LA takes 4 hrs IRL. As McDodge said, that equates to 15 min in game. Hornbrook to San Diego, which will probably be one of the longest routes in the base game, takes 11 hrs. So that means that that drive in game will take at least 40 min.

Looking at the big picture now, San Diego to New York takes 41 hrs. So if every 4 hrs equals 15 min, then the time to drive that in game will be ~150 min, or 2 and a half hours. Of course, the longer the distance, the more inaccurate the calculations may be.

IDK about you, but that seems pretty good as a scale :)

[MouldyK]

Publicado originalmente por AceOfSpades:

So the base game for ATS including AZ and NV is a little bigger than the base ETS was.
IRL

Yes, but with the 1:15-1:19 size ETS2 was and the 1:35 or so ATS is...it's like half the space and by the looks of it...less than half the roads aswell.

[Gizmosellsbunnys]

Publicado originalmente por McDodge34 FR QC:

Publicado originalmente por Rowsdower:

Those are VERY rough calculations. Not sure how many trucks average 80 mph, especially since the most common speed limit in the US is 70. It's better to either wait until the game is out or watch game footage to try to calculate future cross country runs.

Also most trucks have a fixed speed limit of 105km/h so its fixed to 65mph, don't think any trucks can go higher than this without being illegally modified.

DOT trying to put speed limiter rule in place, but the small over the road trucker opposes with this move, and tire manufacturers already designing tires on trucks to withstand higher speeds. California is 55mph and Ontario is place has speed limiter rule, but speed limiters sound good in theory just see flaws in practice certain instances.

[v1deonasty]

I think the map scale will be fine once more & more states are added. Watching a video on Youtube it shows Eureka to San Diego is 869 miles which will I'm guessing take about 50-55 mins to drive, or maybe longer with speed limits, trickier roads, traffic lights & traffic etc. That's only driving 1 state from top to bottom too. So if it takes almost 1 hour to drive through 1 state imagine how many hours driving you'll have when all states are eventually released. Say if you take a job that goes through about 15 states & all of those states take 1 hour to drive through or even 30 mins your going to have at least around 7-15 hours driving. Not to mention if you drive through even more states than that, some jobs could take you a lot real life days to do which will be amazing. So I think that is probably why they scaled it down to less than ETS2 because it's going to be huge once it's all done. That's just my view anyway.

[megapolis]

Publicado originalmente por v1deonasty:

I think the map scale will be fine once more & more states are added. Watching a video on Youtube it shows Eureka to San Diego is 869 miles which will I'm guessing take about 50-55 mins to drive, or maybe longer with speed limits, trickier roads, traffic lights & traffic etc. That's only driving 1 state from top to bottom too. So if it takes almost 1 hour to drive through 1 state imagine how many hours driving you'll have when all states are eventually released. Say if you take a job that goes through about 15 states & all of those states take 1 hour to drive through or even 30 mins your going to have at least around 7-15 hours driving. Not to mention if you drive through even more states than that, some jobs could take you a lot real life days to do which will be amazing. So I think that is probably why they scaled it down to less than ETS2 because it's going to be huge once it's all done. That's just my view anyway.

Don't forget to mention that California, Nevada and Arizona are in top 7 states by territory. I am afraid that with Rhode Island it won't be that nice ;)

I have already counted. These three states are 12.5% of contiguous US.

[v1deonasty]

Yeah good point. The point is though people shouldn't be worried about the map size, it'll work out fine I think because Eureka to San Diego is the same as going from Paris to Warszawa on the ETS2 map which is almost all across Europe, so that 1 state is almost the same size as Europe horizontal, and that's just the first state. Also the most hours I've ever driven on ETS2 is about 3-4 hours & that's right across the map end to end with Promods, Rusmap installed etc. So when more DLC comes out & even the Mods build more maps it's going to be more than enough, much bigger than ETS2, there's going to be a lot more than 3-4 hour trips. Even when Arizona is released there'll probably be 2 hour trips at least. Anyway time will tell, I'm still looking forward to the game coming out I'm sick of waiting. :)

[megapolis]

I just thought why do I need bigger map size. It's not about US itself. Being Russian I don't care about American or European roads accuracy and realism as well. I just expect that bigger map will mean more roads to explore. I am sure that I will be in the front line of players who will discover the whole map and reach Pathfinder achievement. Also it will mean bigger distance between junctions. In Russia you have to travel 30-40km to the next junction if you missed your turn from a highway. I don't travel much IRL but my last experience on Russian roads was a message from Google Navigator: "In 538km turn right". And I really want to turn right in 538 kilometers instead of 30 seconds that represent these 538 kilometers.

[Drevin]

Publicado originalmente por McDodge34 FR QC:

Also most trucks have a fixed speed limit of 105km/h so its fixed to 65mph, don't think any trucks can go higher than this without being illegally modified.

In ETS2 I learned that european trucks are electronically limited at 90kph. So you're saying that in the US the trucks are electronically limited to 65mph / 105kph?

[McDodge34]

Publicado originalmente por Drevin:

Publicado originalmente por McDodge34 FR QC:

Also most trucks have a fixed speed limit of 105km/h so its fixed to 65mph, don't think any trucks can go higher than this without being illegally modified.

In ETS2 I learned that european trucks are electronically limited at 90kph. So you're saying that in the US the trucks are electronically limited to 65mph / 105kph?

In some states, yes, in Ontario Canada, yes, I think its also the same in Quebec but I'm not 100% sure, one thing I know for 100%, no truck is allowed in Canada from the US without a speed limiter on it, its against the law to enter Canada in a truck that doesn't have a speed limiter on it.

[m61a1]

I've travelled with trucks from north carolina to northern virginia approaching 90 mph before....was pretty funny.