AZ looks, well not great.(opinion)

[AceOfSpades]

I have enjoyed alot of content over the years from SCS but who is doing their advisement on the American scenery?
First California comes with a host of missing things that well, should be there. I mean not having the full length hwy 1/101 which is a gigantic trucking route and the second most famous hwy in America and the only one of the two left (route 66 is technically gone) is practically a crime in a trucking game. Not to mention the missing gigantic hwy interchanges in LA which is a landmark in itself. Then there are the regular things missing like I-10 and 1-5 interchange instead we get silly surface streets. When I look at ETS and compare a highway map I don't see nearly as much butchery, maybe I am wrong.
But enough about CA, not much can be done there.
Now as an AZ native I was a bit worried about how AZ would be represented in the first place. Most people do not realize this but it is geographically the most diverse state in the U.S. There are single highways that can take you through 5 of the 9 climate zones that appear in the world in less than an hours journey. No place on the earth has that(that I know of) certaintly not in the US. It is aso the only state that has 7 of the 9 climate zones from Arid(south) to polar (san francisco peaks north of flagstaff). Southern AZ has a cactus that grows only in AZ and Sonoran, Mexico. It is called the Saguaro and is very famous. You may know it as the giant cactus with two arms like a man.
But what I see in the pictures is a place called monument valley (the sand stone plateu looking mountains), problem is that area as picturesque as it is, it is desolate contains one town that has more than a few thousand folks in it and only represents about 10% of the state.
No saguaro cactus anywhere and they represent about 25% of the state.
The open sonoran desert (if any of the pictures represent not sure) doesn't look anything like it should geographically. Where I thought a decent job was done of the Nevadan high deserts I really hope they are not gonna cut and paste for the sonoran desert. But maybe they have not gotten to that part yet.
Arizona has sandy desert, desert scrubland, desert mountains, coniferous mountains and broadleaf mountains(referring to the dominant tree species), badlands and plateus its alot to consider and I don't think anyone could get it all in on the map but...
I just look at those pictures and I see nothing that looks like the place of my birth and resided in for 28 years before I moved other than a tiny part that is being taken to represent the entire state.
I hope they stop for a moment and maybe re-think how they are giving us America. It needs to be an American interpetation and it feels like it is a European interpetation.
I can just imagine what the Scandinavian DLC would have looked like if it was done by me.

[Silencer]

Look Arizona wont be ready for at least two months, that means thay have alot of time to add the things that you seem to think are so important like the Saguaro im sure they will add it and if they don't as much as you like to think it important, it really isn't.

I would much rather see the company managment system expanded on. Hire other staff like mechanics, logistics managers, canteen staff (including having to keep it stocked) etc and implement a whole income outcome system so i don't end up with millions like you did in euro truck.

What im saying is, as mice as scenery is, it's not the be all and end all.

[ThaVizinary]

Originally posted by Silencer:

Look Arizona wont be ready for at least two months, that means thay have alot of time to add the things that you seem to think are so important like the Saguaro im sure they will add it and if they don't as much as you like to think it important, it really isn't.

I would much rather see the company managment system expanded on. Hire other staff like mechanics, logistics managers, canteen staff (including having to keep it stocked) etc and implement a whole income outcome system so i don't end up with millions like you did in euro truck.

What im saying is, as mice as scenery is, it's not the be all and end all.

Considering that most of your time is spent driving a truck in that scenery, I'd say that it is very important. And the truth is that SCS hasn't really done that well in the scenery department, at least in regards to making it actually look and function like an American state. Hopefully they will fix these issues, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Silencer]

Originally posted by b҉́͞r̨̀͠a͢͞͝k͏̷̀͜:

Originally posted by Silencer:

Look Arizona wont be ready for at least two months, that means thay have alot of time to add the things that you seem to think are so important like the Saguaro im sure they will add it and if they don't as much as you like to think it important, it really isn't.

I would much rather see the company managment system expanded on. Hire other staff like mechanics, logistics managers, canteen staff (including having to keep it stocked) etc and implement a whole income outcome system so i don't end up with millions like you did in euro truck.

What im saying is, as mice as scenery is, it's not the be all and end all.

Considering that most of your time is spent driving a truck in that scenery, I'd say that it is very important. And the truth is that SCS hasn't really done that well in the scenery department, at least in regards to making it actually look and function like an American state. Hopefully they will fix these issues, but I'm not holding my breath.

And you think Europe looks like it does in ETS2? No it doesn't.

[AceOfSpades]

Originally posted by Silencer:

Look Arizona wont be ready for at least two months, that means thay have alot of time to add the things that you seem to think are so important like the Saguaro im sure they will add it and if they don't as much as you like to think it important, it really isn't.

I would much rather see the company managment system expanded on. Hire other staff like mechanics, logistics managers, canteen staff (including having to keep it stocked) etc and implement a whole income outcome system so i don't end up with millions like you did in euro truck.

What im saying is, as mice as scenery is, it's not the be all and end all.

always someone.... look, I know Arizona won't be ready for a few months and I clearly state that in the op and state how I hope they don't make simuliar mistakes. Your whole first paragraph was pointless.
As far as your opinion on scenery does not matter as much as other stuff, good for you.

[Team Triss]

I could only decipher a small part of that awful wall of text, but as far as saguaros and the images go, I saw a lot of Route 66 in the images SCS posted. That's up north in/near Flagstaff; I don't think there are anywhere near as many saguaros up there as say, down here in Tucson or up around Phoenix.

Couldn't place that non-descript city, though.

[Silencer]

Originally posted by AceOfSpades:

Originally posted by Silencer:

Look Arizona wont be ready for at least two months, that means thay have alot of time to add the things that you seem to think are so important like the Saguaro im sure they will add it and if they don't as much as you like to think it important, it really isn't.

I would much rather see the company managment system expanded on. Hire other staff like mechanics, logistics managers, canteen staff (including having to keep it stocked) etc and implement a whole income outcome system so i don't end up with millions like you did in euro truck.

What im saying is, as mice as scenery is, it's not the be all and end all.

always someone.... look, I know Arizona won't be ready for a few months and I clearly state that in the op and state how I hope they don't make simuliar mistakes. Your whole first paragraph was pointless.
As far as your opinion on scenery does not matter as much as other stuff, good for you.

aww diddums is someone butthurt!

[AceOfSpades]

Originally posted by LoR Team Triss:

I could only decipher a small part of that awful wall of text, but as far as saguaros and the images go, I saw a lot of Route 66 in the images SCS posted. That's up north in/near Flagstaff; I don't think there are anywhere near as many saguaros up there as say, down here in Tucson or up around Phoenix.

Couldn't place that non-descript city, though.

English not native language? cause I am not great on spelling or grammar but serious if you couldn't "decipher" what two people could do in the first minute of the post, I don't know what to say.
I was referring to the native town of Kayenta which is the largest town in the area of monument valley which is a tiny tiny place in real life (actually far less than the 10% I said but was cutting them some slack)
You imply you live in AZ but you then shoul know there is no longer a route 66 it was replaced by I-40 40 or so years ago. Only remnants of the route are still left in the forms of closed down motels ect. and there is no road to drive on anymore other than a few miles at a time.

Yes I know they are months from done according to them, my OP is asking for them to take a step back and maybe think about some stuff. In the pictures they shown it only depicts a tiny part of AZ but they have indeed finished alot of it, look at the city pics. That looks nothing like either Tucson nor Pheonix.

[Team Triss]

Originally posted by AceOfSpades:

Originally posted by LoR Team Triss:

I could only decipher a small part of that awful wall of text, but as far as saguaros and the images go, I saw a lot of Route 66 in the images SCS posted. That's up north in/near Flagstaff; I don't think there are anywhere near as many saguaros up there as say, down here in Tucson or up around Phoenix.

Couldn't place that non-descript city, though.

English not native language? cause I am not great on spelling or grammar but serious if you couldn't "decipher" what two people could do in the first minute of the post, I don't know what to say.
I was referring to the native town of Kayenta which is the largest town in the area of monument valley which is a tiny tiny place in real life (actually far less than the 10% I said but was cutting them some slack)
You imply you live in AZ but you then shoul know there is no longer a route 66 it was replaced by I-40 40 or so years ago. Only remnants of the route are still left in the forms of closed down motels ect. and there is no road to drive on anymore other than a few miles at a time.

Yes I know they are months from done according to them, my OP is asking for them to take a step back and maybe think about some stuff. In the pictures they shown it only depicts a tiny part of AZ but they have indeed finished alot of it, look at the city pics. That looks nothing like either Tucson nor Pheonix.

English in my native language, I'm talking more about formatting your OP because it's hard to read; it all blends together.

I do live in Arizona; Tucson, to be exact. It's not my native state so I don't know it as well as I know New Jersey. I know that 66 is no longer an official highway but Historic Rt 66 (which is now I-40 in some places as you point out) is still a big thing from Chicago to where it ends in Cali. You can see the 66 signs in the pics, I didn't just dig that up out of nowhere, and as I said, you'll only find Rt 66 signs near Flagstaff.

[AceOfSpades]

Originally posted by LoR Team Triss:

Originally posted by AceOfSpades:

English not native language? cause I am not great on spelling or grammar but serious if you couldn't "decipher" what two people could do in the first minute of the post, I don't know what to say.
I was referring to the native town of Kayenta which is the largest town in the area of monument valley which is a tiny tiny place in real life (actually far less than the 10% I said but was cutting them some slack)
You imply you live in AZ but you then shoul know there is no longer a route 66 it was replaced by I-40 40 or so years ago. Only remnants of the route are still left in the forms of closed down motels ect. and there is no road to drive on anymore other than a few miles at a time.

Yes I know they are months from done according to them, my OP is asking for them to take a step back and maybe think about some stuff. In the pictures they shown it only depicts a tiny part of AZ but they have indeed finished alot of it, look at the city pics. That looks nothing like either Tucson nor Pheonix.

English in my native language, I'm talking more about formatting your OP because it's hard to read; it all blends together.

I do live in Arizona; Tucson, to be exact. It's not my native state so I don't know it as well as I know New Jersey. I know that 66 is no longer an official highway but Historic Rt 66 (which is now I-40 in some places as you point out) is still a big thing from Chicago to where it ends in Cali. You can see the 66 signs in the pics, I didn't just dig that up out of nowhere, and as I said, you'll only find Rt 66 signs near Flagstaff.

Correct in towns that have tried to create a tourism out of the old 66. So in Flag, Holbrook, Winslow, Kingman you will find "historic" 66's which are a few miles long and have a few hotels ect.
But I get the feeling they are going all "route 66" on us and in my opinion that is not a great idea and a little insulting doing that but then butchering 1/101 in CA like they did.

[Gizmosellsbunnys]

Work at smaller scale compromises need to be made and Phoenix looks pretty far better than compared to 18 wheels of steel days, and at 1:35 do not expect 100% accuracy to begin with, but from the photos I see it pretty decent far better than California. Notice one photo is Page Arizona the glen Canyon Dam, and other is Phoenix that look good. I am realist and know they will never get scenery 100% accurate and Flagstaff is icebox at 7000 ft elevation.

[$upaSixFour]

is there a video u guys are seeing this stuff from>? if so link plz.

[p.stucki]

The OP has seen a few screenshots covering 0.001 percent of the total landscape, but of course he knows what is getting depicted or not. Can someone pass me a "Stupid or Trolling" pic?

[AceOfSpades]

Originally posted by p.stucki:

The OP has seen a few screenshots covering 0.001 percent of the total landscape, but of course he knows what is getting depicted or not. Can someone pass me a "Stupid or Trolling" pic?

I clearly stated what I think and that what is shown is a small part. So your arguement is BS, yet you call me troll. As I said, I am stating an opinion that I hope what is shown so far will not be a representation of the entire state which could/can easily be done by them if they so choose. AZ is a diverse state in its geography and things shown so far are pretty much non-representative. The monument valley stuff shown in RL is a really tiny area. If they use that as the scenery for say northern AZ that would be a horrible representation in my opinion. It would be taking a landmark and making scenery in general out of it.

[Team Triss]

Originally posted by AceOfSpades:

Originally posted by p.stucki:

The OP has seen a few screenshots covering 0.001 percent of the total landscape, but of course he knows what is getting depicted or not. Can someone pass me a "Stupid or Trolling" pic?

I clearly stated what I think and that what is shown is a small part. So your arguement is BS, yet you call me troll. As I said, I am stating an opinion that I hope what is shown so far will not be a representation of the entire state which could/can easily be done by them if they so choose. AZ is a diverse state in its geography and things shown so far are pretty much non-representative. The monument valley stuff shown in RL is a really tiny area. If they use that as the scenery for say northern AZ that would be a horrible representation in my opinion. It would be taking a landmark and making scenery in general out of it.

To be fair, Monument Valley is where the world got it's idea of the "wild wild west" geography.

[ThaVizinary]

Originally posted by Silencer:

Originally posted by b҉́͞r̨̀͠a͢͞͝k͏̷̀͜:

Considering that most of your time is spent driving a truck in that scenery, I'd say that it is very important. And the truth is that SCS hasn't really done that well in the scenery department, at least in regards to making it actually look and function like an American state. Hopefully they will fix these issues, but I'm not holding my breath.

And you think Europe looks like it does in ETS2? No it doesn't.

It doesn't, but this is marketed to the American audience and has been in development for two years. Furthermore they have feedback regarding the roads in ETS2. It's not like there are multiple countries in the US with different road structure and signage; it's the same throughout. I'd definitely expect them to at least not make silly errors like stop signs at stoplights. No excuses there.