Can we get a Kenworth K100 in the base game please ?

[Dr.Gamer]

was using a kenworth k100 truck mod, it was beautifully customised and one day the steering wheel animation stopped working (anyone know why?).... would love to bring this truck online.

[Wolfgang]

SCS needs a licence for that. And that they don't have. And we don't know if the manufacturer wants to licence it.

[luZk]

It's a vintage truck, scs has said something about only bringing trucks that are in production afaik.

[Sandhill]

Originally posted by luZk:

It's a vintage truck, scs has said something about only bringing trucks that are in production afaik.

When did SCS ever say that? I'd be happy to stand corrected, but I think that is just made up nonsense

[MirkoC407]

Originally posted by Sandhill:

When did SCS ever say that? I'd be happy to stand corrected, but I think that is just made up nonsense :lunar2019smilingpig:

Awaitng a source either. Some of that stuff seemingly becoming a truth by repeated telling.

[Humpfester]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1815959194

[Nimir-Raj]

Reasons given by Pavel and Co regarding old trucks:

1. Manufacturers don't want license them. They prefer to show off their latest and greatest.

2. Quality. It's unlikely CAD files exist for older trucks, meaning SCS would have to use much older and less accurate modelling techniques when making the models. (Would you be happy if West Balkans releases with original base game map quality?)

3. Sounds. They have to be able to get hold of the vehicle IRL to record sounds.

They've never said old trucks will never happen. But it's not something they are interested in doing right now.

Most comments come from livestreams, so sourcing ain't easy particularly since older streams aren't available any more.

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by Dr.Gamer:

was using a kenworth k100 truck mod, it was beautifully customised and one day the steering wheel animation stopped working (anyone know why?).... would love to bring this truck online.

I would suspect you have a mod-conflict, OR you do not have all the extra add-on parts for the K100 mod .. Look on the workshop page, and read the information to see if there is a Steering add-on pack or something. Then look in your Mod Manager screen, sorted by date, and find the Mod you added AFTER the K100 to see if it conflicts with the K100 .. Last, look at your Mod Load order (right side of Mod Manger) and make sure you have your mods loaded in the correct order: Map stuff on the bottom, then trucks next up, then truck accessories next up, then trailers next up, then trailer accessories next up, then Engines/sounds next up, then Lighting mods next up, and economy mods last at the very top.

[luZk]

Originally posted by Sandhill:

Originally posted by luZk:

It's a vintage truck, scs has said something about only bringing trucks that are in production afaik.

When did SCS ever say that? I'd be happy to stand corrected, but I think that is just made up nonsense :lunar2019smilingpig:

IIRC In a stream when they launched the International 9900i. But believe what you will, I dont really care. They had optained the 9900i license before it went out of production.

[luZk]

Originally posted by MirkoC407:

Originally posted by Sandhill:

When did SCS ever say that? I'd be happy to stand corrected, but I think that is just made up nonsense :lunar2019smilingpig:

Awaitng a source either. Some of that stuff seemingly becoming a truth by repeated telling.

https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k

[MirkoC407]

Originally posted by Nimir-Raj:

1. Manufacturers don't want license them. They prefer to show off their latest and greatest.

Valid point, though maybe not for all eternity and every manufacturer. Some have more history to be proud of than others though. Volvo has none, as their heritage on that side of the pond has names like White, Diamond REO or such. Kenworth and Peterbilt are trapped in their history, still building trucks technically designed around 1970. International was lacking icons, they were until the 2000s mostly the cheap fleet brand. Western Star is in difficult waters, as they never had own designs, either rebranding White or after the split Freightliner designs in sometimes more and often less disguise. Would leave Mack and Freightliner.

2. Quality. It's unlikely CAD files exist for older trucks, meaning SCS would have to use much older and less accurate modelling techniques when making the models. (Would you be happy if West Balkans releases with original base game map quality?)

The first road vehicle being CAD designed was the Peugeot 204 passenger car from 1968, the first US truck to my knowledge (would need to look for a particular book in the house library and then find the right page within to confirm) the 1974 International Transtar II Cabover, otherwise the similarly old Ford 9000, which would lead to another dead end (with name rights belonging to Ford Motor Co. while the intellectual property of the truck belongs to Daimler Trucks / Freightliner).
This technology, which was developed in parallel for aerospace and automotive industries is older than most people think. Issues might more arise if this old stuff was not converted at some point and now needs harware that was scrapped meanwhile - with CAD being older than PC computers the first ones often ran on platforms like Cray. Luckily the trucks built to around 2000 were usually still based on the 70es designs, so while it may not be the originals, there should be reasonable CAD data in still readable formats around for their later facelifts and reworks.

3. Sounds. They have to be able to get hold of the vehicle IRL to record sounds.

They have asked for that in the past. There are enthusiasts with restored trucks who might help out.

They've never said old trucks will never happen. But it's not something they are interested in doing right now.

Most important part. And there are probably indeed more urgent and to this day fleet gaps to be filled: Kenworth T880 and W990, Mack Pinnacle, Peterbilt 579 and Kenworth T680 Facelifts to name a few. These will probably have higher priority, also with the truck builders.

[Sandhill]

Originally posted by Nimir-Raj:

Reasons given by Pavel and Co regarding old trucks:

1. Manufacturers don't want license them. They prefer to show off their latest and greatest.
Most comments come from livestreams, so sourcing ain't easy particularly since older streams aren't available any more.

So still never a factual reference, folks just have belief that it was said

[Sandhill]

Originally posted by luZk:

Originally posted by Sandhill:

IIRC In a stream when they launched the International 9900i. But believe what you will, I dont really care. They had optained the 9900i license before it went out of production.

As always, it's always an "IIRC", so maybe it was said and maybe it wasn't. It is often put forth as fact, and it just might not be fact. I don't care either, it's just disappointing to see the same seemingly baseless things repeated over and over.

[Ryu]

Originally posted by Sandhill:

Originally posted by Nimir-Raj:

Reasons given by Pavel and Co regarding old trucks:

1. Manufacturers don't want license them. They prefer to show off their latest and greatest.
Most comments come from livestreams, so sourcing ain't easy particularly since older streams aren't available any more.

So still never a factual reference, folks just have belief that it was said :lunar2019smilingpig:

How is this not factual? You won't believe it until someone goes through the hundreds of hours of streams SCS has done to point you to the quote(s)?? I've seen/heard Pavel say this in at least two instances. Sorry I can't point you to them but I never thought there would be a pop quiz on that... :\

[Sandhill]

Originally posted by ~{DCMT}~ Ryu:

Originally posted by Sandhill:

So still never a factual reference, folks just have belief that it was said

How is this not factual? You won't believe it until someone goes through the hundreds of hours of streams SCS has done to point you to the quote(s)?? I've seen/heard Pavel say this in at least two instances. Sorry I can't point you to them but I never thought there would be a pop quiz on that... :\

If you say so...

[Finney]

Just give them all the short answer, NO! Now nothing to see, move along.